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Had some problems with my "dated gaming rig" so i have been stuck trying to

fly WW2online on my music rig.

The music rig would run up to 113 degrees when gaming for an hour or so.

Luckily i got my gaming rig back up and running and so i wanted to compare the temperatures between the two.

It lists two numbers. One was 99 and the other stayed around 76. Not sure what two sensors it is getting these readings from.

Here is the funny part. Years back when i built this rig i lasered out a 9" hole in the side of the computer panel. Then i bolted up a 8" fan. Due to where the computer was located i wasn't able to put the side panel on.

Since if got it back up and running i figured i would try it out.

Stated up the computer and after a 15 after minutes i checked to see the numbers. The 99 went down to 75 and the 76 went down to 66 degrees.

I fire up ww2online and play for 30 minutes and it changed to 91 and still 66 degrees.

what is normal for a gaming rig?

Ten minutes later (right now) it reads 80 and 66 degrees.

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90-135 load temps are normal. I'd say it depends vastly on the cpu, how fast it's running, and what application it's running.

The hottest chips made so far were the last 90nm pentium4's made before the presler 65nm dual core came out. Prescott cores were in there and some others. The ones running 3.4-3.7 being the hottest. Also the Thunderbird core amd's athlons up to 1.4ghz were some of the hottest rated processors to ever come out. Normal operating temps were from 50-60 celcius. That's 140 degrees Fahrenheit . Personally I don't think 90's-113 sounds hot at all.

I'm more used to seeing the computers temps in celcius since that's what most stuff gives you the readings in. My core2duo idles from 29-31 celcius and games intensely at 44-46. Thats 112 Fahrenheit peak and it's overclocked. My AMD xp barton3000 runs a little hotter 39idle 47load.

My mb northbridge is typically about 10 degrees cooler than the cpu. AMD's since the 64's came out might be a little different in the mB temp because they have no northbridge memory controller. It's built on to the cpu so on a later model AMD the mb temp you see is the south bridge. A much cooler running part than the northbridge memory controller which is the MB temp readout on any intel machine. The south bridge controls hard drive/dvd/cd and the pci bus.

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I assume you talk about fahrenheit and 90-135 is normal, my CPU runs around that temp usually, but that depend on the room temp as well.

My apartment is old and no central AC, so it could be 130+ even in idle at a hot summer day.

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Glad to see you jump in Lazyboy.

You have given me alot of advice recently and i appreciate your time.

Im happy to say my year and a half old gaming rig is back up and running so i wont have to build a new one now.

I was looking at what i have and i think a little upgrading to this one "might"

get me ready for the IL2BOB or some of the new games.

Mobo: ASUS A8V Deluxe

http://www.3dxtreme.org/index.php?id=asusa8vdeluxe2

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+

1.80 GHz

Ram: Corsair 2 GB DDR400

Video Card: Geforce 6600 256MB AGP

Never overclocked.

Pretty basic stuff but works very well.

Looking at what i have i was thinking a processor upgrade might be

the way to go.

I'd hate to spend much on it since 939 is getting ran outdated.

Looking on newegg for amd 64's i only came up with a handful of options

when it came to socket 939.

Only 5 options?????

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50001028+1051707439&Description=Athlon+64&name=Socket+939

Overall what do ya think?

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It's a good time to jump in and grab a 939 cheap before they disappear. You're almost too late. There's no performance 754pin chips left. 939 will follow soon.

I like the 4200 in the link. You're practically stealing it at that price. It runs 2.2 and has 512 of cache.

I would choose between that and this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103037

This is a kick *** San Diego single core. It's got 1 meg of cache. Twice as much as the dual core you linked. It also runs at 2.4 default speed. This is the identical processor to the fx57 except that thing runs at 2.8. Not too bad for $60. It would be a huge boost compared to what you're running. I remember when these were $300. San Diego cores were good overclockers. You can easily hit 2.6 with it as long as you have decent ram that will do 420 or so. The fx version ran at 2.8 It was the single core AMD speed king.

Either processor is a good choice IMO.

You need to buy a cooler for either one of those.

Here's a good cheap aftermarket cooler.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185125

Some thermal grease. This is the best and it's only $5

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100009

If you can team the cpu upgrade up with a new video card it would breath some much needed new performance life into your machine for sure. That 6600 is tired and wasn't much to begin with. I think you'd be very happy with one of these. $119 after mail in rebate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102093

If you've got to save $10 somewhere than get this 7600gt. It will perform good for you.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150233

Here's another one to ponder.. comes with a cooler too. Probably not worth it. It's an older core than the san diego and it's more expensive.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-AMD-ATHLON-64-FX-55-FX55-2-6Ghz-939-Pins-Super-Fast_W0QQitemZ260155277211QQihZ016QQcategoryZ80140QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Ok im getting that San Diego and fan for now.

I'll see how that goes.

Again, thanks for your help.

I'll let ya know how it goes.

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Oh my god.. I thought you were talking about celcius for a while. I was about to scream at you to get the fire extinguisher quick!

Lol.. really had me worried for a while. :rolleyes:

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LoL...that would be insane.

Since the prices of my pre-historic rigs have dropped why not upgrade my other computer.

Its has a little bit slower amd processor and the MoBo is the

K8v instead of the earlier mentioned A8v.

Looking at Newegg the one difference that jumps out is the 800 FSB instead

of the 1000FSB. Also its limited to on 2GB of ram.

Will the K8v use that San Diego cpu also that im putting in my A8v?

Thanks again

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No the san diego won't work in both. It appears that the Asus K8V is a 754 socket MB. As I mentioned in a previous post those are all but gone. There's no performance one's left for sale. Only semprons. I did find a 3700clawhammer on ebay the other day. Your other machine is a 939pin.

The new parts sites don't have any 754's anymore to speak of but ebay still has quite a few.

Here's a 3700 clawhammer with 1meg of cache for $142 with a cooler.

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Athlon-64-3700-1mb-cache-socket-754-cpu_W0QQitemZ170145173682QQihZ007QQcategoryZ80139QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here's a 3200 clawhammer with 1 meg of cache for $42 without a cooler.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SOCKET-754-AMD-ATHLON-64-3200-CPU-CLAWHAMMER-CORE-1MB_W0QQitemZ220145883584QQihZ012QQcategoryZ80139QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here's a 3200 with 1meg of cache for $35 without a cooler.

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Athlon-64-3200-2-0GHz-1MB-CACHE-754-CPU-Processor_W0QQitemZ280146315982QQihZ018QQcategoryZ80139QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You can pick up an amd athlon64 3000 512cache for that 754 older machine for next to nothing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Athlon-64-3000-754-Pin-2-0-Ghz-CPU_W0QQitemZ150156052903QQihZ005QQcategoryZ80139QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$28 for buy it now. No cooler though.

The cooler I linked earlier will work on any 754 or 939 amd cpu.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185125

Depending on what you have in there now it might be worth picking one up. There's very reasonable 3200's and similar models about for under $50 on ebay.

I was just reading this san diego 4000 review at newegg. I think you'll be happy with it. Especially if you can hit 2.6 or above. Some people got to 3ghz with those. It wasn't uncommon but you probably need ddr500 for that. It was the last of the great AMD single cores.

I also bought an AMD x2 4200 for the future and this 4000 has better performance for games at this time. I wish I would have had a chace to buy this thing at this price. I payed almost 3x as much.

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Semprons are not good for gaming. They're basically a workstation/business/internet appliance cpu. Don't get one. Find an athlon64 instead. By saying I couldn't find any worth mentioning at new part sites I meant all I could find was semprons. It's the AMD equivalent to a celeron. They cheap out on the cache.

I just found 1 new althlon64 3000 for $35 if you're interested. It's 512 of cache. I like a few of the ebay links. They're all 1 meg cache chips except the last link.

http://www.outletpc.com/c1487.html

I found another one. If you want to laugh really hard go to this link and look at the price on the 3700 754pin I found.

http://www.computer-store.com.au/product_info.php/cPath/33_34_36/products_id/15722

I just found this 3200 754pin cpu for $64 new using shopzilla.

http://www.spartantech.com/product.asp?PID=AMDA64-3200%2BOEM&m1=br

$127 for a 3400 from the same store.

http://www.spartantech.com/product.asp?orderid=38562181129391115903854&PID=AMDA64%2D3400%2BOEM

What is in your 754 machine right now?

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I built that computer a year before i built this gaming computer.

Im unsure what the processor speed is. If this one is a 1.8GHz i'm pretty sure the other is way less.

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This one might be worth it to turn the 754pin comp into a decent second account. It's from an actual store too instead of used off of ebay.

http://www.outletpc.com/c1487.html $35 and just use the cooler you have. It's a 2.0ghz and it's an athlon64 not a sempron so it's got at least 512 of L2 cache. It would probably overclock a little too. It won't have blazing speed but since I don't know what you have in there it's hard to judge what impact it would have.

It's hard to recommend an athlon 3000 when I have squaddies with them that complain about performance issues running it with a 5950 gforce card. But then again it's $35 and if it's significantly faster than what you have I might go for it.

I guess you know what an amd64 3000 plays like because that's what you have in your "gaming rig" right now. So this $35 processor would essentially make your old machine perform exactly like your current gaming rig.

This one's tempting for $41. It's a mobile and they're good overclockers because they're hand selected to be cool running for the laptop environment. They're identical cpu's though to the desktop versions. This one claims 1 meg of cache. If so it would outperform your current "gaming rig" and since its a mobile version you could confidently use your current cooler on it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SOCKET-754-AMD-ATHLON-64-3200-CPU-CLAWHAMMER-CORE-1MB_W0QQitemZ220145883584QQihZ012QQcategoryZ80139QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

100% positive feedback on this guy too. That means it probably does have 1 meg of cache.

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I also noticed that last one on ebay.

I jumped over it because it didnt give what speed it was.

1.6 , 2.0 etc.

I'll make an offer thats a little under the one you just showed me.

Given the info thats in the auction is it common knowledge what its going to be?

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I'm pretty sure that since it's a 3200 that has 1 meg of cache it would be the same clock speed as the 3000 (2ghz) but the 1meg of cache would boost the performance rating to a 3200. They frequently do that. Some 4800's run the same clock speed as the 4600 but have 1 meg of cache instead of 512 so it receives a higher rating.

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He recently sold the exact same processor for 32 something plus shipping.

I offered 31 plus shipping.

You patients and help is greatly appreciated.

I did find this website that talks about my a8v and over clocking.

Its 10 pages in length and it has pictures on how to do it.

http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=30&page=3

Might have to tug your ear when i get my new processors so i can

optimize my rigs a little.

Thx lazy

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Sold on the 754. 31 + 6 shipping.

Probably a dumb question.....The 939 has 4 slots for ddr so i have always had 2 or 4 slots full. Pretty sure i read something years back that odd numbers were bad. Prolly false.

Anyways

On the 754 board (k8v) it has 3 slots. I assume that having all slots full would have no negative effects.

Might do some searching for the 939 processor on ebay.

If i cant find a lucky deal i'll jump on that San Diego cpu you mentioned.

Again much appreciated.

You should do this for a living so you get commision, :)

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Barely used san diego 2.4 1mb. Interested...how much?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Barley-used-AMD-Athlon-64-4000-San-Diego-2-4GHz-1MB-L2_W0QQitemZ110164102030QQihZ001QQcategoryZ80139QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

There are also two more san diego 2.4 GHz cpu's ending in 1 day.

Of course both are only at 5 bucks atm.

Looked at the last 7 days on the San Diego 4000 2.4 GHz....i can't believe that

they are selling for more then what newegg has them for....im i not seeing something here?!?!?!?

Check this guy out:http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Athlon-64-4000-San-Diego-2-4GHz_W0QQitemZ330160955489QQihZ014QQcategoryZ80139QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

He has two of them going tomorrow nite. Safe buying a used one?!?

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For some reason not everyone uses newegg. There's still a lot of people at places like compusa and the like. Not many people ever really beat neweggs prices. I've tried. You may beat them on the cpu and video card by a few dollars occasionally but when you spec out an entire machine newegg is always cheaper on the rest of the machine and the total ends up the same. Nobody beats newegg's selection of parts. I love the organization of their site too. None of the others are as easy to browse. They've never done me wrong.

If you can snip one of those 4000 san diego's for $20 off of ebay more power to you. My guess is the price is going to go up to fairly near what you can get a new one on newegg for before the auction ends. In the end you'll have a used cpu you'll have to trust is going to work good. Might be worth it for 20-30 bucks.

I'd go with neweggs oem 939 san diego and the arctic cooling 64 cooler with the thermal grease. Then the $41 dollar buy it now 754 3200 clawhammer 1meg athlon64 mobile from ebay for the other machine. Clean the stock paste off of the old 754 cooler and put some of the new stuff on it then slap it on that 3200 used clawhammer. It will cool a laptop processor no problem. I always go with the sure thing with the buy it now price. People watch ebay like hawks. It's hard to squeak much better than retail out of them for computer parts.

It's a possibility that having all the memory slots full on the 3 slot board could cause your memory to run at 333 instead of 400 and single channel instead of dual channel. That was common for a while on the first dual channel MB's. They would only work in dual channel ddr400 with 2 slots taken up. You'll have to check with the MB manual.

If you have 4 ram slots most modern gaming boards run dual dual channel. Both sets of dual channel slots are color coded for each pair of ram chips you buy. Mine are blue and green. The first pair of ram sticks I got went in the blue colored slots and if I get another pair they go in the green slots.

They should be bought in pairs too. An odd number of chips may knock it out of dual channel and back to single. So yeah an odd number of sticks might be bad.

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Your right about the ebay hawks.

The only kickarse deal i ever got was one that ended at 3:45 in the morning.

God i love those people.

Im off to eggy to buy the San Diego combo. I can only take so much good advice before i act on it. lol

Im going to fly tonite and record my fps performance in all situations. Cpu and mobo heat before during and after gaming. I want to see what kind of performance i get out of one addition. Then maybe when il2 bob comes out i'll throw in a new Vcard.

I'll paypal ya the million bucks i owe you for advice!

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Just tried Mwave. I was going to be so sad if i found it somewhere else cheaper new. Especially since i just paid for the newegg one.

Couldn't find amd athlon 64 4000 SAN DIEGO 2.4 GHz 939 at Mwave.

Mwave is hard?!?

Just to try something easy i typed in " AMD 939" and did a search from the home page.

mwave brought up this:

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/doSearch.hmx?bop=and&bbp=and&Catpromotename=Index.hmx&scriteria=amd+939&x=0&y=0&

Not a single CPU is listed.....Cooling *CPU

Newegg brings this up when searching for AMD 939:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=amd+939&x=0&y=0

Everything i need is catagorized on the left side of the page.

CPU's/ Processors = 12

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000343&Description=amd+939&name=CPUs+%2f+Processors

Im sticking with Newegg.

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