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Thinking about a new rig.....

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OK, I got the bug to build a new rig :)

This one still runs the game well but I need to "downgrade" it a tad so my little grandson can play some of the older games I have (CS no likey nvidia cards past 6xxx and this asrock mobo don't like nvidia drivers past 8x)

Sooo here is what I'm considering.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131299

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134

I have extra HDs, and dvd drives, will reuse my 9600gt and have a good fulltower case.

Thoughts?

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First thoughts are:

Components are too cheap in the US. It's not fair.

Looks like a decent rig, all good quality parts.

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Well I'd never in a million years recommend someone build a new dual core machine if you're into gaming, so if you don't mind overclocking (which is easy with this processor, hundreds of artilces on it).

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115018

Cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004

In that price range you could also switch to a P2 940 (also easily overclocked) and smoke E8500, though you'd have to hunt down a new MB to, but 790gx are in that range.

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Well I'd never in a million years recommend someone build a new dual core machine if you're into gaming, so if you don't mind overclocking (which is easy with this processor, hundreds of artilces on it).

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115018

Cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004

In that price range you could also switch to a P2 940 (also easily overclocked) and smoke E8500, though you'd have to hunt down a new MB to, but 790gx are in that range.

The only game I play is this game which at present my old E2160 runs perfectly well. In fact I don't see any of the probs peeps running quads are seeing ingame.

Add to that the fact the duel cores will clock like crazy on a stock cooler and a quad makes no sence.

The only reason I'm building is that my mobo has issues with nvidia gfx drivers beound the 8x series drivers, I can't upgrade the drivers as I can't boot with newer driver. AsRock says it's a nvidia prob and to use the older driver, ie they aint bother to update the bios to fix it.

Now I could simply swap the mobo for that asus I listed and IMO kick this 2160 near 3ghz (it's running 2.35 atm but this mobo locks out past that,another prob asrock wil not adress....)

Thing is my little grandson likes the older games, crimson skies in particular and it will not run right on nvidia cards past th 6x series.

Other thing is I like building them ;)

Soo, I can stick a old 9800pro in this box (it's take apg or pci-e) and the grandson has a realy good rig to play CS, bf1942/moh/cod on.

I can then build me a little faster box that will run with new vid drivers.

I see no reason to go quad at this point when I can crank the 8500 near 4ghz.

And the cooler I listed is the best I've found, used them for years and the cool realy well and are extremely quiet.

Some have probs ith them blowing air in the wrong dorection (to front rather than rear of case) but it's simple to reorient them on the base so they blow to the rear. You simlpy unbolt them and reinstall them on the mount in the desired orientation.

I guess the only real question I have is about the PS. I'm wondering if those are quiet. I have a OCZ "stealth" PS in this rig. I ain't yet figgured out the stealth bit unless it's that it sounds like you are right beside a stealth fighter running engines up........

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That Corsair makes no noise (big fan turning very slow) at all and will keep your system running fine while your lights are dimming/blinking in a thunderstorm.

The only thing I dont like is the audio chip in that motherboard, I prefer the newer Hidef 889a chipsets like you find on Gigabyte MB's.

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The only game I play is this game which at present my old E2160 runs perfectly well. In fact I don't see any of the probs peeps running quads are seeing ingame.

Yeah if all your playing is this you don't need much at all. If you're not playing ETW, Farcy 2, SC at max eye candy you don't need much effort nowdays.

As for PS it's the Corsair HX seres that is their really good ones, that seems like one of their low-end lines? A great place to go to when PS shopping is http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews . Check through some PS their and how they actually performed. If you ever want validation on not buying a cheap/generic power supply check one of the reviews where he buys 5 cheap ones.. Epic.

oh btw on the heatsink/fans the newer standard for performance has the heat pipes themselves touching the chip spreader, instead of block between pipes and the spreader. The Sunbeam and the Xigametks constantly come out the best, a great cooler review site.. http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfmAgain like JG through reviews with alot of data :)

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No noise is what I'm after :D

The onboard sound? If I had my druther's I'd not have any at all. I use a headset, don't even own any high end speakers.

I only game on a comp, well that, record a little music and troll forums ;)

This is the only game I play. To be honest, even if I could play the shoebox games like COD etc....They make me motion sick. Something to do with the camera/view angle I guess.

I like the asus boards, I've had one in the past and it was pretty much Zeke proof. While I have no probs OCing via bios it's nice with the asus boards to OC in windows realtime and check stability and temps on a clock without a reboot. Then once you've narrowed the range you can hit the bios to find the real limit.

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Hey Zeke, I just went from a E6550@3.2GHz to a E8400@4.1GHz last week. That 0.9GHz jump plus the 4MB to 6MB L2 cache made a HUGE difference on minimum FPS in WWIIOL using an 8800gt. Min FPS in super heavy places was around 25FPS now it's no lower than 55 or so.

I would be inclined to think THE FASTEST CHIPS are gonna be the 6MB C2D or any of the I7's when overclocked.

My current setup right now is the E8400@4150MHz on an EP45-UD3R with a GTS250 1GB@ 820MHz core/1944MHz shader/2450MHz memory. It plays fallout 3 at max details 1600x1200 4xAA 8xAF smooth as silk using 700MB framebuffer where the 512MB 8800gt struggled(stuttered) with 2xAA and no AF once it went over 512MB buffer.

I don't know what resolution you run but you may want to use the monitoring utility in Rivatuner to see if you're over running your video memory. It's surprisingly easy to do if you use much AA at higher resolutions.

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Hey Zeke, I just went from a E6550@3.2GHz to a E8400@4.1GHz last week. That 0.9GHz jump plus the 4MB to 6MB L2 cache made a HUGE difference on minimum FPS in WWIIOL using an 8800gt. Min FPS in super heavy places was around 25FPS now it's no lower than 55 or so.

I would be inclined to think THE FASTEST CHIPS are gonna be the 6MB C2D or any of the I7's when overclocked.

My current setup right now is the E8400@4150MHz on an EP45-UD3R with a GTS250 1GB@ 820MHz core/1944MHz shader/2450MHz memory. It plays fallout 3 at max details 1600x1200 4xAA 8xAF smooth as silk using 700MB framebuffer where the 512MB 8800gt struggled(stuttered) with 2xAA and no AF once it went over 512MB buffer.

I don't know what resolution you run but you may want to use the monitoring utility in Rivatuner to see if you're over running your video memory. It's surprisingly easy to do if you use much AA at higher resolutions.

I run 1600x1200 on my lcd and realy no probs. I have a old 22" crt that'll go to 2048x1536 and (I just fired it and checked) I run very close to the same fps on it but pretty sure the lows were, as memory served last I gamed on it, a good bit lower at that high a res.

But offline spawned in a 109F4 the old monitor runs 115 to 119 fps @ 2048x1536 with 16x antistropic and 8xAA.

My only prob atm is just that this mobo will not work with the latest nvidia drivers so eventualy not being able to update my vid will bite me.

It was a cheap board and cpu when I bought it a couple of years ago, less than $120.00 for both so I've got my moneys worth I'd say :)

Lol' just checked the old ctr ingame at pville, realy good battle btw. Average 40fps with lows in the high 20s. Man I wish it was'nt goin dead cause so much more detail at 2048x1536.

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Lots of cores aren't going to help in this or many other games for that matter. Only reason I haven't suggested an i7 is the additional cost of the motherboard and RAM that will be required - in any case the 8500 based system will last a good long time if it's only for this game.

Sixr is right - onboard sound is um, rubbish quality and eats cpu cycles, throw a decent xfi into the build.

Corsair PSUs are re-badged seasonics IIRC, if I'm correct then it should be good quality and very quiet.

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I generaly disable the onboard sound anyways, but I'll look a bit a few other boards with dift audio chips.

Yea pretty sure this game should be ok on a duel for a few more years, and by then the i7s will have evolved to where there are E8400/8500 like bargins.

I'm still in the iffy stage, the new cable co says we'll have broadband within a year. This is the 3rd cable co to say they would be bringing broadband in. I'm not sure how much longer wwiiol will play on my dialup. That's another reason to not go hog wild on a build as I could end up with a grand in a comp and no connection to play it on.

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I would stay away from the Corsair PS. I am RMAing my 1000W now. When I went back and read the reviews, it looked like DOA units were pretty common. I bought it because overall, it had gotten great reviews. I should have paid more attention to the negative ones even though the average rating was pretty good.

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Ok, what about this board? That's a better sound chip?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128359

Yes, much better.

As far as the Corsair power supplies go, they have had some problems with the 600w line of supplies but the 750's have been solid. Either way Corsair has been very responsive to problems and will replace any defective supply. I swear by mine...

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OK, I got the bug to build a new rig :)

This one still runs the game well but I need to "downgrade" it a tad so my little grandson can play some of the older games I have (CS no likey nvidia cards past 6xxx and this asrock mobo don't like nvidia drivers past 8x)

Sooo here is what I'm considering.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131299

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134

I have extra HDs, and dvd drives, will reuse my 9600gt and have a good fulltower case.

Thoughts?

well hmm.. I wouldn't get a Non Sli Board with two PCI-E slots. even more so since it supports ATI Crossfire and your using a Nvidia based graphics card.

Should look at a Full sized ATX board with a single PCI-E slot and extra PCI slots. I Don't know about you but i use more PCI devices like network cards tuner cards Soundcards and all that more then i use my secondary pci-e slot.

Take that cash and invest in some other sort of computer fun.

Heres the mainboard i'd purchase with your componants

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131295

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well hmm.. I wouldn't get a Non Sli Board with two PCI-E slots. even more so since it supports ATI Crossfire and your using a Nvidia based graphics card.

Should look at a Full sized ATX board with a single PCI-E slot and extra PCI slots. I Don't know about you but i use more PCI devices like network cards tuner cards Soundcards and all that more then i use my secondary pci-e slot.

Take that cash and invest in some other sort of computer fun.

Heres the mainboard i'd purchase with your componants

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131295

Yea crossfire nor sli a need, as to pci stuff the only pci thing I got is a modum.

I use a plantronics headset, no sound card needed and realy all I need onboard sound for is to run a mike to record extra tracks.

So yea that's more what I'm lookin for in a asus board I think.

Lol' I guess I am gettin old cause tryin to sort out this mobo stuff starting to blur together on me.

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Yea crossfire nor sli a need, as to pci stuff the only pci thing I got is a modum.

I use a plantronics headset, no sound card needed and realy all I need onboard sound for is to run a mike to record extra tracks.

So yea that's more what I'm lookin for in a asus board I think.

Lol' I guess I am gettin old cause tryin to sort out this mobo stuff starting to blur together on me.

well just find a mainboard that suits your minimum requirements..and anything else is just a bonus.

How much do you want to spend and what are you looking to upgrade.

This was my last purchase..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254026

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6736/dscf9435.jpg

lol see those nhatzes a mile away.

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well just find a mainboard that suits your minimum requirements..and anything else is just a bonus.

How much do you want to spend and what are you looking to upgrade.

I'm still in the "I want but ain't quit ready to spend" stage.

I'm pretty set on a E8500 and a asus board, and I only shop newegg. Pretty sure I'll stick with the corsair PS too as reviews here and at newegg say it is quiet.

As to xfire or sli or none, if the mobo with xfire is rated as a good reliable mobo then it'll do cause I'm not going with 2 cards reguardless as this is the only game I play and it don't support crossfire or sli. If I find a asus sli mobo with good reviews for around the same then I'll naturely get it.

Should I need 2 card setup I'll get 2 ATI cards. I've only ever had 1 ati but it was a rock solid card.

As to money, well I'm cheap. I had the above, with win xp pro sp3 priced at arond 650 or so I think.

But I kinda solved my grandson prob when I decieded to put COD on the laptop and it actualy played ok on the onboard grafics. Actualy playes real well on it, so now no hurry till (if) the cable co actualy gives us broadband.

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As to money, well I'm cheap. I had the above, with win xp pro sp3 priced at arond 650 or so I think.

But I kinda solved my grandson prob when I decieded to put COD on the laptop and it actualy played ok on the onboard grafics. Actualy playes real well on it, so now no hurry till (if) the cable co actualy gives us broadband.

Windows XP?

bump your ram down to 2.75GB cause that's all it supports outside 64 bit xp.

(just so your not dissapointed when you install 4 and only see 2)

asus board i mentioned above is cheaper then the sli board you were looking at.

E8500 is a good cpu.

tell your ISP to get a obama grant. hes passing them out like candy for building broadband infastructure.

really with most applications a stronger single card is always faster then two medium cards in a scalable link set up. so no sli isn't like some sort of major loss. out of all the people i know (alot) only two have a Sli computer. Mine seems to trample over both of them also but there 7900's GTKO and 8600GT's so its not saying much in terms of computing performance.

Noise was never a factor for me. always been "The louder it is just means its working better"

in your face/ears zeke.

PzyRpS-JKEE

Also doubles as a space heater in the winter time for the 2nd floor.

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The xp ram deal is no big deal cause after win7 goes gold it'll be a duel boot setup anyways :)

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