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Converting to PC

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Well as the title suggests, im investing in a PC gaming rig for the first time after my mac has recently died (rip). Being new to PC's im not entirely sure what kind of specs I need to run this game amongst others, such as arma2 and what not.

Here is the current rig Im looking at:

Processor

AMD PHENOM II X4 945 3.0 GHz SOCKET AM3 8MB CACHE

Memory (RAM)

8GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (4x2GB)

Motherboard

ASUS® M4N78: DUAL DDR2, S-ATA II, PCIe x16, 2 x PCIe x1, 3 x PCI

Operating System

Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium 64-bit + Windows 7 Upgrade Voucher (£86)

USB Options

6 x USB 2.0 PORTS (4 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

Memory - 1st Hard Disk

500GB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)

2nd Hard Disk

NONE

RAID (HDD 1 & 2)

NONE

1st CD/DVD Drive

22x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM

2nd CD/DVD Drive

NONE

Graphics Card

1GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTS250 PCI EXPRESS

2nd Graphics Card

NONE

Sound Card

Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ Xtreme Audio PCI Express

Power Supply & Case Cooling

700W Quiet Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£59)

Processor Cooling

ARCTIC COOLING FREEZER 64 PRO PWM QUIET AMD CPU COOLER (£19)

Basicly I need to know how this rig stacks up against your typical gamming pc. And should I go with Xp or Vista?

Thanks for the help.

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Most people agree that XP is around 30% faster.

your specs are much better then mine and I get around 35-50fps normally so you should do fine.

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Here is the current rig Im looking at:

Processor

AMD PHENOM II X4 945 3.0 GHz SOCKET AM3 8MB CACHE

Memory (RAM)

8GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (4x2GB)

Motherboard

ASUS® M4N78: DUAL DDR2, S-ATA II, PCIe x16, 2 x PCIe x1, 3 x PCI

Operating System

Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium 64-bit + Windows 7 Upgrade Voucher (£86)

Hard Drive

500GB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)

DVD Drive

22x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM

Graphics Card

1GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTS250 PCI EXPRESS

Sound Card

Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ Xtreme Audio PCI Express

Power Supply & Case Cooling

700W Quiet Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£59)

Processor Cooling

ARCTIC COOLING FREEZER 64 PRO PWM QUIET AMD CPU COOLER (£19)

alright first I'd like to tell you PC is short for Personal Computer, what you're really doing is switching from a MAC based PC to a WINDOWS based PC.

alright onto computer specs,

CPU is good I'm not a fan of AMD because of past experiences trying them out every 4-5 years and only being disappointed but thats just me.

for the ram consider looking into getting some of that low voltage high performance stuff, it might cost more but i've been told by motherboard manufactorers like eVGA that its best to use low voltage ram if all ram slots are being populated. ( I actually lost a eVGA motherboard to having 4 sticks of ram running at 1066Mhz @ 2.1v the board didn't take it well and fried itself, now I run low voltage ram which has the same speed and timings but @ 1.8v instead)

operating system is good, I have same OS, though I plan to buy Windows 7 when it comes out later this year.

for the hard drive I recommend a Seagate 500GB 7,200rpm 16MB cache .12 series drive, please note the .12 series THAT MEANS ALOT I have this hard drive and its average read speed is 125MB/s thats per second, I imagine a highly tweaked operating system could get better results.

as for DVD drives thats your preference I perfer lite-on because thats what i've been using since 2005.

the video card is nice, it's basicly a rebranded 9800 GTX+ with some changes here and there.

I'd recommend a 750W PSU just incase you upgrade later like an extra video card, or more powerful one.

I'm not a fan of ASUS but I do hear good things, and the features those motherboards support are quite plentiful.

and the sound card you have to be careful on the creative ones, theres a cheap X-Fi PCI-E card that really sucks and give you problems, be sure to get the one branded as X-Fi Titanium because the titanium one is actually a fatality one with the onboard 64MB of ram disabled.

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Ahh thats a shame your leaving the mac world. Your in for a new era of much love and much hate with your new platform.

You'll love the speed for gaming and ability to buy new bits whenever you want but you'll hate the user experience, the OS and when something is not working the troubleshooting. BUT....

I run a PC for gaming and macs for all the important business stuff and data :)

Ideally I would go intel - they are faster than the AMD's - I run a E8500 3.16 ghz wolfdale and they work really well, the E8600 also.

8GB of ram ?? - Unless your running huge design and real time video streams I don't think you will ever get close to using up this. Now if you use huge photoshop files and go that route then you might aas well. Could save cash here to get better processor and memory can be bought later if needed.

Card - The 260GTX pushes much more data but the 250 does have excellent texture fill rate. It's a decent enough card but the 260 does beat it.

What sort of price that running you for ??

Might be other options.

BTW - what mac did you have and whats wrong with it ?

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Just a suggestion for your OS - download Windows 7RC (before Aug 20th) and install that instead of Vista. WWIIOL runs fine on it as does TS2 and then you won't have to be stuck with the pish that is Vista until W7 comes out in October.

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BTW - what mac did you have and whats wrong with it ?

imac G5 PPC, the logic board died and was quoted upwards of £500 to replace it.

So you think a intel E8500 would be better than that AMD processor? Does it matter that its not quad core?

Im thinking of going with XP now due to various reccomendations, and so will probably tone the RAM down to 4gigs.

I've got a budget of around £800 which is roughly what the spec above came in at on pcspecialist.co.uk

Thanks for help!

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imac G5 PPC, the logic board died and was quoted upwards of £500 to replace it.

So you think a intel E8500 would be better than that AMD processor? Does it matter that its not quad core?

Im thinking of going with XP now due to various reccomendations, and so will probably tone the RAM down to 4gigs.

I've got a budget of around £800 which is roughly what the spec above came in at on pcspecialist.co.uk

Thanks for help!

buy this

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9366642&type=product&id=1218092150864

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Lol Iron - He lives in UK.

I would defo go Intel processor. Xp only uses 3GB anyway so 4GB good. Most builds come with vista currently and I think there are better value machines out there. Most sell qwuad or I7 cores now

Quad with 4870 - Better calue than your one - needs sound card though.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167292

I7 Example but could do with slightly better card but very good.,

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167294

For another £50 this is a fast quad core, I7 with 260GTX (Only 512mb ) 8GB Ram.

http://www.dabs.com/products/zoostorm-core2quad-8gb-1tb-dvdrw-vistahomepremium-5J1K.html?refs=4294953510-43560000

Similar to ebuyer (windows 7 upgrade free)

http://www.dabs.com/products/zoostorm-core2quad-6gb-750gb-dvdrw-vistahomepremium-5J1J.html?refs=4294953510-43560000

Just found these guyson overclockers - look very nice. You can phone them and get what you want so can ask for a gtx260 or a 896 / 1TB GTS 250

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-074-OE&groupid=43&catid=1444&subcat=

IN fact I like these guys at overclocker - they are a performance site with loads of cool stuff - bought from them before. You cna look at a configurator here but can call them see what they can do.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/syscon_int.php?prodid=FS-184-OK

I'd start there just tell them you want an intel system with a GTX260 or 4890

Antec 900 case very nice, 750W PSU maybe leave sound card out and buy a xtreme gamer for £40.

Good luck.

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had a look at some of those badger cheers. Although they dont have the monitor included which would add another 100 quid to the price.

Think i might go with the E8600, do you think thats a good choice?

Heres the system:

Processor (CPU)

Intel® Core™2 Duo E8600 (3.33GHz) 1333MHz FSB/6MB L2 Cache

Memory (RAM)

4GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x2GB)

Motherboard

ASUS® P5QL: DDR2, SATAII, PCI-e x16, 3 PCI, 2 x PCI-e x1

Operating System

Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium 64-bit + Windows 7 Upgrade Voucher (£86)

USB Options

8 x USB 2.0 PORTS (6 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

Memory - 1st Hard Disk

500GB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)

1st CD/DVD Drive

22x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM

Graphics Card

896MB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX260 PCI EXPRESS

Sound Card

ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)

Network Facilities

WIRELESS N 300Mbps PCI CARD (£16)

Memory Card Reader

INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (READS XD, MS, CF, SD, etc)

Case

STYLISH PIANO BLACK FUSION CASE inc. 2 FRONT USB

Power Supply & Case Cooling

700W Quiet Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£59)

Processor Cooling

ARCTIC COOLING FREEZER 7 PRO QUIET INTEL CPU COOLER (£19)

Monitor

22 Inch Wide TFT Silver/Black 1680 x1050 5MS D-Sub, DVI (£109)

Will look to purchase a decent sound card after a few months of use!

Thanks for the help.

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Mate that's perfect.

No real need for a quad core and a 3.33ghz 8600 will perform very well. Nice Graphics card, good enough PSU, cooling fan great and 4GB with and upgrade to windows 7.

As you say you can get a 20 or even a 22 inch monitor for £110

BenQ do a 21.5 inch with good specs (depth of colour etc) for £113

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169635

Other wise Samsung, LG or even Acer have good enough monitors sub £100 20 inch.

That machine will play really well and get high FPS.

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Stay away from Norton Antivirus. it's take a lot of power.

Using Avira Antivir Personal thats free

http://www.free-av.de/en/index.html

AVG Free is also popular

http://free.avg.com/

Zonealarm as firewall

http://www.zonealarm.com/security/en-us/home.htm

Stay away from Windows Intenet Explorer and install Firefox or Opera.

Then you take Spybot - Search & Destroy

http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html

A good program to keep your computer safe.

I would go with an Samsung SpinPoint F3 HD103SJ 32MB 1TB or an F2 as first harddrive, and get a Intel X18-M G2 80GB SSD in a few month :)

And why not go for a 24 or 26 inch screen where you get 1920x1200 ?

Your monitor will be used longer then your computer when gaming with it.

Using Intel Core 2 Duo with 4 Gig Ram with XP and using 30 Gig for Windows and a 25.5 1920x1200 screen myself and it work well.

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Yeah forget norton or mcafee.

Both get too involved and hog too much resources.

I use avast home edition (free). Sits nicely in background, hasn't caused any problems with any games etc. AVG free also a option .I used to use that.

I also have both spybot and adaware free install which I run every now and again just to clear all adaware etc. Between the three I get everything covered and run a nice clean system.

Generally I don't bother with a firewall at all since your router has one and the antivirus protects you but it's down to choice and your setup

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