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Very low FPS for 1.31 Beta

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Okay when I heard about 1.31 I knew that if I never got my computer updated I would NEVER be able to play it. Well I update it and get onto the Beta and Bam still I get a punch to the face. The normal 1.30 gets me like 60-100 FPS on almost all high settings. This now 1.31 gets me maybe 30-60 in towns and 15-20 outside of towns...(So I run slower outside of towns rather then running slower towards a town...:o) Also on ALL low settings, everything is low... (Now I have no clue what the problem is and its kind of annoying to update your computer for a game and not be able to run it....) So if you find a problem in my specs just let me know so I can take a look at it.

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Display Devices

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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 210

Manufacturer: NVIDIA

Chip type: GeForce 210

DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC

Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0A65&SUBSYS_12103842&REV_A2

Display Memory: 1024.0 MB

Current Mode: 1600 x 1200 (32 bit) (60Hz)

Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor

Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200

Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll

Driver Version: 6.14.0011.9107 (English)

DDI Version: 9 (or higher)

Driver Attributes: Final Retail

Driver Date/Size: 9/27/2009 18:12:21, 5900416 bytes

WHQL Logo'd: Yes

WHQL Date Stamp: n/a

VDD: n/a

Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys

Mini VDD Date: 9/27/2009 18:12:21, 7655872 bytes

Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4925-11CF-6178-1B3203C2CB35}

Vendor ID: 0x10DE

Device ID: 0x0A65

SubSys ID: 0x12103842

Revision ID: 0x00A2

Revision ID: 0x00A2

Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D

Deinterlace Caps: {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive

{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch

{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive

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{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive

{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch

{6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive

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Registry: OK

DDraw Status: Enabled

D3D Status: Enabled

AGP Status: Enabled

DDraw Test Result: Not run

D3D7 Test Result: Not run

D3D8 Test Result: Not run

D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices

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Description: NVIDIA High Definition Audio

Default Sound Playback: Yes

Default Voice Playback: Yes

Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10DE&DEV_000B&SUBSYS_10DE0101&REV_1001

Manufacturer ID: 1

Product ID: 100

Type: WDM

Driver Name: nvhda32.sys

Driver Version: 1.00.0000.0059 (English)

Driver Attributes: Final Retail

WHQL Logo'd: Yes

Date and Size: 8/21/2009 15:24:10, 57248 bytes

Other Files:

Driver Provider: NVIDIA Corporation

HW Accel Level: Full

Cap Flags: 0xB5B

Min/Max Sample Rate: 32000, 192000

Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0

Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0

HW Memory: 0

Voice Management: No

EAX 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No

I3DL2 Listen/Src: No, No

Sensaura ZoomFX: No

Registry: OK

Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices

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DirectMusic

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DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS

DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002

Acceleration: n/a

Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port

NVIDIA High Definition Audio, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal

Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal

Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal

Registry: OK

Test Result: Not run

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DirectInput Devices

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Device Name: Mouse

Attached: 1

Controller ID: n/a

Vendor/Product ID: n/a

FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Keyboard

Attached: 1

Controller ID: n/a

Vendor/Product ID: n/a

FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Logitech Extreme 3D

Attached: 1

Controller ID: 0x0

Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC215

FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No

Registry: OK

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USB Devices

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+ USB Root Hub

| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x27CB

| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub

| Service: usbhub

| Driver: usbhub.sys, 4/13/2008 13:45:37, 59520 bytes

| Driver: usbd.sys, 8/23/2001 07:00:00, 4736 bytes

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Gameport Devices

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PS/2 Devices

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+ Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard

| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303

| Service: i8042prt

| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 4/13/2008 14:18:00, 52480 bytes

| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 4/13/2008 13:39:47, 24576 bytes

|

+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver

| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd

| Upper Filters: kbdclass

| Service: TermDD

| Driver: termdd.sys, 4/13/2008 19:13:20, 40840 bytes

| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 4/13/2008 13:39:47, 24576 bytes

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+ Microsoft PS/2 Mouse

| Matching Device ID: *pnp0f03

| Service: i8042prt

| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 4/13/2008 14:18:00, 52480 bytes

| Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/13/2008 13:39:47, 23040 bytes

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+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver

| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou

| Upper Filters: mouclass

| Service: TermDD

| Driver: termdd.sys, 4/13/2008 19:13:20, 40840 bytes

| Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/13/2008 13:39:47, 23040 bytes

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Hey gonger its me indo

can you post the part of your DXDIAG that labels your OS and CPU memory and that stuff to?

like this

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System Information

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Time of this report: 2/22/2010, 19:57:15

Machine name: ASUS-3600

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)

Language: English (Regional Setting: English)

System Manufacturer: MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD

System Model: MS-7599

BIOS: Default System BIOS

Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Processor, MMX, 3DNow (4 CPUs), ~3.9GHz

Memory: 3328MB RAM

Page File: 583MB used, 4627MB available

Windows Dir: D:\WINDOWS

DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)

DX Setup Parameters: Not found

DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

definantly update your video driver.It should be...

Driver Version: 6.14.0011.9621 (English)

Driver Date/Size: 1/11/2010 22:03:33,

And you have

Driver Version: 6.14.0011.9107

Driver Date/Size: 9/27/2009 18:12:21

I'd also probably look into seeing if you have a update to your audio driver. And make sure in the out of game settings that your specific sound card is selected and not "primary sound".

s3d7di.jpg

Is that your video card.. or at least similar to it?

It's Got 16 processing cores, 64bit memory interface with 512MB of GDDR2

You might honestly consider a new graphics card (not trying to piss you off or anything) like THIS

That PNY 9800GT EE has 112 Processing cores, 256bit memory interface with 1024MB GDDR3

That exact specific card right there also doesn't require a secondary power connection from the power supply to run, So un-like most every other 9800GT. It won't require you to upgrade your power supply (another 100-160$) just to upgrade the graphics.

I'd strongly recommend the Geforce PNY 9800GT EE, it would (no bs here) triple your FPS depending on what processor you have.

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Edited by indo420

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Well getting a new Video card is out of the option now as its to late....I had $140 and I gave it to my dad to get me a new Video card and he got me this one saying its good for $60 dollers....The rest of my money went to the 360 sad to say. I will update you when I update that stuff.

Edit: Also that one card you have a picture is not the one I have. I found the box and there is more things on the card I will post a pic.

E145-0210-Main-JH.jpg

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System Information

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Time of this report: 2/22/2010, 19:28:44

Machine name: USER-T08MUNM0OQ

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.091208-2036)

Language: English (Regional Setting: English)

System Manufacturer: System manufacturer

System Model: System Product Name

BIOS: BIOS Date: 01/30/08 10:01:36 Ver: 08.00.10

Processor: Intel® Core2 Duo CPU E7200 @ 2.53GHz (2 CPUs)

Memory: 2048MB RAM

Page File: 486MB used, 3453MB available

Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS

DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)

DX Setup Parameters: Not found

DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_196.21_whql.html

EDIT: I am downloading this ^ for the new driver from the link that guy posted. I went to the website found what one I have and it said the 19th not the 11th so I don't know if I messed something up so stop me before I install it which will be in like 30 minutes.

EDIT 2: I have hit a dead end now. With money already going towards the games monthly Fee and the Update I already used on my computer has seemed to some how not been enough to play this game. I guess its just cause of the Giant map? I mean I run the Battlefield Bad company 2 Beta fine...and the 1.30 runs fine on high...1.31 just seems like a power house to me and I have no money to keep up finaly this is the end for awhile thanks for all the help.

Edited by gongor

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Use Tomshardware.com for info on video cards. Every month they do a 'Best Card for the $' article.

Here's February.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-graphics-card,2544.html

To compare cards quickly, they include a Graphics Card Hierarchy chart in each one:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-graphics-card,2544-7.html

As near as I can tell, the Nvidia 210 is unfortunately very near the bottom.

Just because a card is new or numbered for the latest generation, doesn't mean it has better performance than all cards of the last generation.

In fact, sometimes the 2nd digit in the number can be more indicative of its performance than the first,

For example:

Nvidia 6800 is better than a 7600

ATI 4700 is better than a 5670

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Well getting a new Video card is out of the option now as its to late....I had $140 and I gave it to my dad to get me a new Video card and he got me this one saying its good for $60 dollers....The rest of my money went to the 360 sad to say. I will update you when I update that stuff.

Edit: Also that one card you have a picture is not the one I have. I found the box and there is more things on the card I will post a pic.

E145-0210-Main-JH.jpg

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System Information

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Time of this report: 2/22/2010, 19:28:44

Machine name: USER-T08MUNM0OQ

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.091208-2036)

Language: English (Regional Setting: English)

System Manufacturer: System manufacturer

System Model: System Product Name

BIOS: BIOS Date: 01/30/08 10:01:36 Ver: 08.00.10

Processor: Intel® Core2 Duo CPU E7200 @ 2.53GHz (2 CPUs)

Memory: 2048MB RAM

Page File: 486MB used, 3453MB available

Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS

DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)

DX Setup Parameters: Not found

DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_196.21_whql.html

EDIT: I am downloading this ^ for the new driver from the link that guy posted. I went to the website found what one I have and it said the 19th not the 11th so I don't know if I messed something up so stop me before I install it which will be in like 30 minutes.

EDIT 2: I have hit a dead end now. With money already going towards the games monthly Fee and the Update I already used on my computer has seemed to some how not been enough to play this game. I guess its just cause of the Giant map? I mean I run the Battlefield Bad company 2 Beta fine...and the 1.30 runs fine on high...1.31 just seems like a power house to me and I have no money to keep up finaly this is the end for awhile thanks for all the help.

Your already on the lowest of low settings right?

I think its the Radial clutter not being able to be turned off among other things lagging people out.

I dunno, just remember man, its in a very very early stages of a beta right now, performance will more then likely improve over time.

I'm pretty much sticking with 1.30 playing right now, 1.31 is fun as hell but it crashes every 5-8 minutes for me since it came up from being down over mid day.

dunno what happened but i went from stable as diamond, to crashing and CTHL's (sometimes i even get a C++ error just clicking the .exe) in the span of about 8 hours today..

1.30 runs like a champion though.

Sounds like your dad needs to probably not be the first person to look to for computer part opinions in the future. :P

110$ could of gotten you this card easy off of ebay.

2n00aic.jpg

(8800GTX OCD )

everything else besides that video card looks premium.

If you haven't had the card for more then 90 days, i'd put it back in the box and take it back saying it crashes out your video games, and your older video card plays the games fine, so you know its the cards fault...something like that.

60$+40$ will get you a 9800GT

Edited by indo420

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Yes as others have pointed out the 210 was the first thing that struck me - It's a low end card and probably is good for $60 but for a bit more you can get a lot more card.

30 - 60 in town is actually pretty good - odd that the country is lower but I guess it's a tree / bush thing going on and your card is the issue.

Could always sell it on ebay if there is no return and buy a second hand 9800 or 260GTX or start saving for a new one then sell the 210. (the 260 rocks btw for the price)

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I'm going to need to do something this game is just to good to pass up and now that it has better graphics and all. Also Indo you are right I noticed everything was on low. but the Grass went so far out like it wasn't even turned down at all and its just so much then the shadows are always on to which is another things.

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I'm going to need to do something this game is just to good to pass up and now that it has better graphics and all. Also Indo you are right I noticed everything was on low. but the Grass went so far out like it wasn't even turned down at all and its just so much then the shadows are always on to which is another things.

you know its only like a hand full of guys doing this game, and sometimes it can take awhile for some things to get fixed or be brought up to there attention.

But from personal experience, if you stick with it for awhile they'll always fix what the problem is.

I personally don't really agree with the radical clutter not being able to be turned off. I'd guess from what i gather some people think it would be a disadvantage to have radial clutter turned off. But i can tell you i'm going to see you anyways regardless if your hiding in some 4" grass.

I'd see if you could slang that card on craigslist, i'm sure if you had the box and everything with it, you could probably get 50$ at least for it.

but i'd only sell it after you got some extra cash together for a new video card.

but i spent all day today puking and being sick (think its food poisioning) so sorry if some of that wasn't entirely understandable.

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I do have the box. One tab for the box is ripped off cause I was just going to keep that and it has the serial number and all that on it. But I kept the box with all the bubble rap aside from the 2 or 3 popped I got bored while i waited for the thing to start running :o

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I'd also probably look into seeing if you have a update to your audio driver. And make sure in the out of game settings that your specific sound card is selected and not "primary sound".

s3d7di.jpg

Is that your video card.. or at least similar to it?

It's Got 16 processing cores, 64bit memory interface with 512MB of GDDR2

I have that same card in my Rig it came with it... no sound card in the rig it uses nvidias HD drivers.

I'm looking to upgrade this week, I got 200-250$ budget what do you think would be a good buy Nvidia wise? :D Sound card needed?

I'm not at my house to post advanced specks on the road atm...

but I know general off top of my head...

wins7 64bit

Asus m4a78l-m motherboard

8gb ram

3.0 ghz dual core AMD athlon 2 processors

pci E x16 2.0 slot

It has a 420w power supply and If need be Ill get a new one for the vidcard can anyone suggest a good combo vid card and powersupply?

Geforce PNY 9800GT EE sounds nice is it newer i see it doesn't have dx11 support though. Im so confused with the new gfx cards lol :confused:

I'll post my advanced specs if need be tomorrow.

Edited by deyoxman

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Everyone should do some research and have a good long look at benchmarks and reccomended uses for video cards when they are buying. The 210 is a decent "desktop" card, but absolutely useless as a gaming card. This is a hard lesson for pple to learn - most of the time we learn this stuff from suffering through a bad decision. For me it was back in the days of the emerging 3dfx cards and thier competitors (ATI Rage, Verite, etc.) It was a hard lesson then, and it's a hard lesson now. Edit: for example I bought the "wrong" card back then, and it cost me $250 bucks at a time when I earned less than $5.00 per hour.

I agree that you ought to dump that card IF you can. As an aside, people who game should stay (imho) away from cards like the 210, 220 and 240 if they enjoy gaming, as the performance isn't good enough for most games. Likewise, ATI also has several entry level cards pple should stay away from, like the 4350, 4370, 5570, etc. just because a few dollars more can net one twice the performance and longevity. I wish ATI and Nvidia would post what thier numbers generally mean. I assisted my stepfather with an upgrade over the weekend (I posted a thread about it - used bloo's guide as a reference). One of the most confusing things I found was trying to discern between what was good and what wasn't. For example is the Nvidia 8600 better or worse than the 4370? Is a 5570 better than a 4650? I was able to get a 4850 for $110 Canadian, via an online vender (decent card for this game and it fit the budget). But vid cards, especially in the non-enthusiast range are not always the easiest things to understand. The research is there in the form of reviews and the like (for example Tom's Hardware) - But we don't always think of that stuff when buying.

Deyoxman, I don't know what to tell you. I know for me I'm using the Geforce 275 (SLI'd), but a 250, or 260 would be fine. As I mentioned the 4890 gets performance similar to the 9800 gt, so that's not a bad choice either - just make sure you know what you are buying. Those numbers can get confusing really fast - especially accross different generations like we see now (9xxx to 2xx nvidias and 4xxx to 5xxx ATI)

Edit: Consider the price/performance factor. I'd be happy to help you select a card - just talk to me in game if you like. The ATI/Nvidia question isn't as simple as you might think. It generally comes down to personal preference and uses. Obviously some models are better than others, but both have strengths and weaknesses.

Edited by beazil

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Everyone should do some research and have a good long look at benchmarks and reccomended uses for video cards when they are buying. The 210 is a decent "desktop" card, but absolutely useless as a gaming card. This is a hard lesson for pple to learn - most of the time we learn this stuff from suffering through a bad decision. For me it was back in the days of the emerging 3dfx cards and thier competitors (ATI Rage, Verite, etc.) It was a hard lesson then, and it's a hard lesson now. Edit: for example I bought the "wrong" card back then, and it cost me $250 bucks at a time when I earned less than $5.00 per hour.

I agree that you ought to dump that card IF you can. As an aside, people who game should stay (imho) away from cards like the 210, 220 and 240 if they enjoy gaming, as the performance isn't good enough for most games. Likewise, ATI also has several entry level cards pple should stay away from, like the 4350, 4370, 5570, etc. just because a few dollars more can net one twice the performance and longevity. I wish ATI and Nvidia would post what thier numbers generally mean. I assisted my stepfather with an upgrade over the weekend (I posted a thread about it - used bloo's guide as a reference). One of the most confusing things I found was trying to discern between what was good and what wasn't. For example is the Nvidia 8600 better or worse than the 4370? Is a 5570 better than a 4650? I was able to get a 4850 for $110 Canadian, via an online vender (decent card for this game and it fit the budget). But vid cards, especially in the non-enthusiast range are not always the easiest things to understand. The research is there in the form of reviews and the like (for example Tom's Hardware) - But we don't always think of that stuff when buying.

Deyoxman, I don't know what to tell you. I know for me I'm using the Geforce 275 (SLI'd), but a 250, or 260 would be fine. As I mentioned the 4890 gets performance similar to the 9800 gt, so that's not a bad choice either - just make sure you know what you are buying. Those numbers can get confusing really fast - especially accross different generations like we see now (9xxx to 2xx nvidias and 4xxx to 5xxx ATI)

Edit: Consider the price/performance factor. I'd be happy to help you select a card - just talk to me in game if you like. The ATI/Nvidia question isn't as simple as you might think. It generally comes down to personal preference and uses. Obviously some models are better than others, but both have strengths and weaknesses.

Sure thang beaz, Ugh... I hate how they make the names up seriously WTH happened to voodoo and name recognition this numbers bs I sometimes think i'm buying a BMW 7800sli lol

I'll take you up on that offer this week beaz. I'll price em out and get my research on before then. I'm thinking Nvidia 250,260 or 270 series now. :cool: My pc came with one, I know how to update them and less pain I think im gonna stay with them for now. Only thing I dont know is if the dang 2 slot cards would fit on my motherboard... I have a one slot pciE 16 2.0 slot with the g210 in it now pictured above in the forum. Will one of those g250+ cards fit? :confused: ugh.

Edited by deyoxman

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The 8800, 9800 and 250 are generally the same card - the differences being manufacturing processes and perhaps a small amount of speed. I'd have to do more research to emphatically make that statement, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

I do have an 8800gt in the wife's computer, and it was a single card slot. However the 275's are dual slot (for four each). If you read up a review, they will usually tell you for sure. But I *think* they are single card slot solutions. Now the 260 and up, I believe are dual slot.

Edit: If you look at the pic above in Indo's post, you can see the 8800gtx pictured is dual slot. The 8800 I have is a GT, so that may very well account for the difference.

Edited by beazil

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Well the 260 I can tell you runs this game well also and it's reasonably priced.

2 Slots as you may know means it takes up the SPACE of two slots but obviously only uses one physical PCI-E 16 slot.

Out the back of the machines you'll see the video connector out of one slot and the slot below will be taken up by "card / fan grill" just because they are 2 slots thick.

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As mentioned above the 210 is a VERY low end card. I'd consider 30-60 very good for that one in 1.31.

There are some nice tables on wikipedia comparing each model of each graphics card series.

200 series:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series

I usually start to look at Memory bus width when I'm comparing cards. That translate very directly to performance. If you look at the 200 series you'll notice that the few bottom models only have 64 and 128 bit bus width. With the 260 cards that jumps up to 448 and that gives a good clue that performance will be a lot better starting with the 260. If considering a 200-series card I'd start looking at different 260 cards as those are the "lowest" cards that sill have good bus width.

Of course there are other stuff to look for also but that's a good start.

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As mentioned above the 210 is a VERY low end card. I'd consider 30-60 very good for that one in 1.31.

There are some nice tables on wikipedia comparing each model of each graphics card series.

200 series:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series

I usually start to look at Memory bus width when I'm comparing cards. That translate very directly to performance. If you look at the 200 series you'll notice that the few bottom models only have 64 and 128 bit bus width. With the 260 cards that jumps up to 448 and that gives a good clue that performance will be a lot better starting with the 260. If considering a 200-series card I'd start looking at different 260 cards as those are the "lowest" cards that sill have good bus width.

Of course there are other stuff to look for also but that's a good start.

320bit on the 8800's

other major things to pay attention to on video cards are the amount of SPU's (Shader processing units), basicly like how many cores the video card has.

I wouldn't buy a video card with less then 100 SPU's

them 8800GTX's i think had 112 or 128SPu's

Edited by indo420

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I have that same card in my Rig it came with it... no sound card in the rig it uses nvidias HD drivers.

I'm looking to upgrade this week, I got 200-250$ budget what do you think would be a good buy Nvidia wise? :D Sound card needed?

I'm not at my house to post advanced specks on the road atm...

but I know general off top of my head...

wins7 64bit

Asus m4a78l-m motherboard

8gb ram

3.0 ghz dual core AMD athlon 2 processors

pci E x16 2.0 slot

It has a 420w power supply and If need be Ill get a new one for the vidcard can anyone suggest a good combo vid card and powersupply?

Geforce PNY 9800GT EE sounds nice is it newer i see it doesn't have dx11 support though. Im so confused with the new gfx cards lol :confused:

I'll post my advanced specs if need be tomorrow.

With that motherboard I would most certainly recommend an ATI card. That chipset is designed by ATI so it will work like a charm with one. And, you can crossfire two on it as well if you'd ever want that.

For $200 you can get a 5770 and still have some money left, a very good card for the money. To be honest, it's the best bang for the buck you can get right now. And it's got DX11.

As well, with that motherboard you can add a second 5770 later on to run dual cards.. if you should ever want to. Not that this game supports it but anyway, other games do!

But if you want to go nvidida then that's your choise of course.

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Those FPS numbers sound like you have vertical syncing ON with a 60hz LCD monitor. Turn off vertical syncing, runahead, and the minimap, makes sure you voices in sound are not higher than your soundcard can do in hardware. Just cause it says it can do 128 voices, you might find it is using software..cpu cycles for the other 64. If you have onboard sound, it might even be fewer in number, all the voices might be using cpu cycles.

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I have that same card in my Rig it came with it... no sound card in the rig it uses nvidias HD drivers.

I'm looking to upgrade this week, I got 200-250$ budget what do you think would be a good buy Nvidia wise? :D Sound card needed?

I'm not at my house to post advanced specks on the road atm...

but I know general off top of my head...

wins7 64bit

Asus m4a78l-m motherboard

8gb ram

3.0 ghz dual core AMD athlon 2 processors

pci E x16 2.0 slot

It has a 420w power supply and If need be Ill get a new one for the vidcard can anyone suggest a good combo vid card and powersupply?

Geforce PNY 9800GT EE sounds nice is it newer i see it doesn't have dx11 support though. Im so confused with the new gfx cards lol :confused:

I'll post my advanced specs if need be tomorrow.

Well those 9800GT EE editions as i said don't require an additional power source, so you can skimp out on the power supply if needed.

power supply to run a uber card will run about 100-140$ depending on the brand wattage and quality.

but if i learned one thing from building computers for over 10 years...don't ever skimp on the Power supply unit. crap PSU's will spit out all sorts of crap giving you hangs, crashes, performance slugs...they can even eat your hardware!1

Is this your board?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131608&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Motherboards+-+AMD-_-ASUS-_-13131608

Instead of a Super bad *** graphics card, that'll get bottlenecked by your Athlon II X2.... I'd check out these parts (pop, drop and play on ur mobo)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103809

AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 95W ~ $150.99 +Free ship

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133304

PNY XLR8 GeForce 9800 EE GT 1GB ~ $104.99 + 1.99 Ship

(this is the sound card i got, it kicks A@$)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829156012

AuzenTech X-Raider w/ CMI8768 Audio processor

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I'd skip the 250/9800 series and only get 260 or faster cards...

you have to remember the 9800/250 are so similar to the 8800 series which is already 1 gen old and close to being 2 generations old already.

btw in a few months NV is supposed to have it's next generation of video cards coming out

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