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urgent question for RAT on game hardware

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Is there a noticeable difference in game performance for choosing a 6gb speed hard disk over the standard 3gb speed?

Model Brand Western Digital Series Caviar Black Model WD1002FAEX Packaging Bare Drive Performance Interface SATA 6.0Gb/s Capacity 1TB RPM 7200 RPM Cache 64MB

vs.

Model Brand Western Digital Series Caviar Blue Model WD800AAJS Packaging Bare Drive Performance Interface SATA 3.0Gb/s Capacity 80GB RPM 7200 RPM Cache 8MB

im about to place the order on my new system and would like to know which to choose :)

below is my upgrade stuff:

OCZ Special Ops Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory

Item #:N82E16820227558

MSI 870A-G54 ATX AMD Motherboard

Item #:N82E16813130275

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor

Item #:N82E16819103674

ASUS GeForce GT 240 ENGT240/DI/1GD3/A Video Card

Item #:N82E16814121353

Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy

so far this upgrade kit has free shipping and costs $390 bucks.

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assuming the MB can bus and cache it sufficiently i would imagine that the faster one is better for things like gaming and video editing, including ww2ol

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I don't think there is any difference, the disk spin time is the bottleneck, not the SATA speed.

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I don't think there is any difference' date=' the disk spin time is the bottleneck, not the SATA speed.[/quote']

Im assuming it uses extra caching to make up for the disk spin speed; if that is the case then it would be very useful to effectively double the amount of info heading out but only if the mobo can transfer it at that rate.

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i remember long time ago a rat saying that in-flight stutters had something to do with the hard disk.

hence.. the question posted here.

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Sky if your machine is writing to the hard drive while flying then you need to look for another fix. Your computer should be able to carry 99% of the game without reading or writing to the hard drive. This is why the fabled buy more ram started. On all computers your processor, memory, video crad carry the load. Reading and writing to/from the hard drive is much slower.

Those specs you have there look mighty strong to me and should do fine. Memory is fairly cheap now so maybe go to 8gb.

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Sky I have the exact same board and processor as you and the first HD you listed. The game runs perfectly with no stutters due to the high cache on the drive. Oh and 8gb of ddr3 1600 ram, that also helps but yes the first option paired with your current upgrade should run the game maxed out like a scalded monkey.

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I read few test about this and even HDD test programs don't see much(any) difference SATA2 or SATA3

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Thanks fellas. I still would like an answer from a RAT as they be the only ones that know the inner workings of the game.

I'm aware the sys specs, hdd aside, will run the game no prob. What I want is to run the game in max settings, 1920X1200 res, full anti-aliasing ...

and not get those gdamn stutters when I dive on a town and it starts loading everything. Those are embarrassing lawndart deaths :(

If the HDD speed is what cures the stutters ill go for it.. if not then ill go for the 3gb disk which is 1/3rd the price.

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CRS is a software company, not hardware.

as for 6Gbps vs 3Gbps on SATA connection speed, you most likely will not see a difference unless the HDD can read/write at those speeds.

personally I would check Western Digitals website for their fastest read speed HDD they offer, minus SSD's.

my Seagate 500MB .12 drive has 130MB/s read speed, yes megabytes not bits.

that comes out to just over 1Gbps gigabits, 125MB/s = 1Gbps. 12.5MB/s = 100Mbps.

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If the HDD gives same results, no matter SATA2 or SATA3, there will be no difference what ever the game is.

Best increase in performance you will get in SSD.

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6GB and 3Gb are the speed - i.e sata 2 or 3

Cache is something different and will be 32mb generally.

For either go Caviar Black as that is their "performance" model. Blue is general HD and green is eco energy saver.

You can get 64MB cache on those. I'd say go for Sata 3 if mobo supports and price not that far off.

Just checking my pricing there is just £3 difference between black Sata 2 and 3 so go sata 3 with 64MB cache - WD Black.

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No.

This will affect your loading times (maybe) on initial boot up. Game performance will be reflected by higher clocked Ram and CPU, not HDD.

Trust me, I upgraded from a 7200rpm HDD to a 15000rpm HDD, saw nothing. Upgraded to an SSD, saw nothing :)

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Also go for a GTS250 not the 240.

In terms of pixel fill, Gflops and texture fill the 250 does TWICE as much but only costs another $20

This one looks good with GDDR3 and 1GB ram - cheaper ones with 512MB at $109 but this looks about best value. A sparkle one bit cheaper but dont know that brand at all.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125310&cm_re=GTS250-_-14-125-310-_-Product

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oh noes.. thread moved to community support.. where no rat ever sees it .

curse ye mods! :D

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Just get a SSD will yah forget about spin rates

Cheers

Vonkurt

What he said. Use SSD for windows and the game, and use regular HD for all the porn storing.

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#1 that video card is a piece of crap

96 SPU's (cores) is the same amount of cores my vanilla 8800GTS 320MB had, and that card struggled with ww2ol. So i can't imagine a tamed version of that 8800GTS will do any better (the 240). (550mhz Core on that 240, vs 677Mhz on my 8800GTS) it's also got 128bit interface Vs my 8800GTS 320bit

http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_8800.html

However my 2nd 8800GTS a SSC edition (9800GTX in disguise whats in the pic) with 112SPU's 384bit, 690Mhz core, 640MB of memory did exceedingly well on ww2ol. Modern equivalent of that would be a 9800GTX, was actually pretty damn close to what my 5770 does on d39/dx9 games

dnypgw.jpg

No sense buying a ultra premium mobo, very nice memory and the same processor i have and pairing it with a video card you'd buy your 12 year old to play disney toon town on.. you'd just be short changing yourself for sure.

I'd either shoot for this card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339

9800GTX +edition, 128 SPU(cores), 512MB 256 bit, 738Mhz core. ~ 134.99

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143186

9800GT 112 SPU (cores), 512MB, 256bit, 550Mhz core ~ 99.99

really honestly don't get that GTS240. you'll be kicking your self in the a@# and posting back with a "why am i not seeing the performance i want" thread here in a few weeks i promise.

The GTS250 would be a good option to, but remember thats just a 9800GTX (non +) with a different heatsink for 20$ more.

as far as hard drives, you know maybe a 6G drive would be "slightly" faster then a 3G, can't tell you for sure because i havent messed with both styles. but if you can afford it and are getting a 6G board, then i'd get the 6G drive.

Studdering like studders while flying is usually a issue with your internet connection though. i haven't seen studders since 2005 when i got my cable modem and ditched my ASDL line. been smooth ever since. long as your computer can handle it then you don't have issues. after all its not like your seeking the files on your hard drive to know where people are. your getting that from the servers across the internet. latency is the key there. Hard drive will basically just affect your load up times and if you've got enough system memory your page file is barely ever used besides for non essential windows processes and the like.

But with hard drives i can tell you the higher the cache the better, my 500GB 3G drive has 64MB cache and it seems to be keeping up with what people on there SSD's are reporting usually only 3~4 seconds slower. and the lower the platter density the better the seek times will be. so a 500GB drive will be faster then a 1TB drive and a 250GB will be faster then a 500GB drive of the exact same specifications. just balance your options and needs, look for a drive with the best cache and rpm speeds and go with that. probably a 6G drive

I'd also really...really....really invest in a good CPU cooler, like a Corsair H50, or CoolIT Eco. one of those all-in-one liquid coolers. Munch uses one, so does vecciho and they are pulling 3.8~3.9GHz no problem with them. My custom cooler is letting me sit at 3.7Ghz right now but its a copper air cooler with a dank fan (triple blade volcano 12)

And more then any other part. overclocking my processor has made the best performance difference for me, i'm sure munchkin and vecc can second that. Doesn't so much give you a higher peak FPS, but it defiantly keeps the FPS up in lower battles, and a higher clock speed helps with your load times as well. plus its just neat to say "i've got a 3.9Ghz processor beoyatches!!1"

You surely won't be disappointed with that X4 955, i'm very very happy with mine, and at 3.7Ghz it keeps up and sometimes beats bud420 intel i7-920, that memory is a good option to, although im not sure about the "low voltage" i think AMD's requre 1.8v (but don't hold that to me). MSi boards are also very nice, all i've ever used is MSi boards,been building computers since i was 14, about 1996 back when you had to jumper every single component and jumper stuff to set clock speeds and overclock (had my pentium MMX at 166Mhz woo!!1) but i've never had a MSi board burn up ever. seen friends computers burn up with ECS, ASUS,DFi,Foxxconn boards, but never a gigabyte or MSi board.

anyways g2g and put the kiddo down 2 bed. hope some of this helps.

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Is there a noticeable difference in game performance for choosing a 6gb speed hard disk over the standard 3gb speed?

No noticable difference.

A regular disk just isn't fast enough to be limited by 3gb max transfer rate. Solid-State Drives can go over 3gb though, but still, that doesn't affect game, disk is virtually unused once its loaded (provided you have enough memory to prevent swapping memory to disk)

Erik

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Yeah indo got good advice there.

Don't worry about a Rat response as you got pretty teched up guys here (and the rats do read this forum a lot :)

So I checked prices. The Sata 2 WD Black and sata 3 WD black are the same price. $94 so get the Sata 3 - It has 64MB cache so thats the one.

Graphics card. As I said earlier and indo most eloquently put "it's a piece of cr*p" - Don't get the 240.

I linked a Gddr3 1GB 250gts for $119 or so and if cash tight thats a good upgrade.

A 9800 GTX+ for another $15 on top of that is an option as is a 5770 if you can push further but I feel your solid baseline and minimum should be the 250GTS.

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sky

I can tell you 100% for sure, 3GB or 6GB only means the interface speed between the hard drive and the motherboard

on the hard drive, it has a circuit board at the SATA connector section, and that's the cache hardware on the hard drive

on your motherboard is usually the southbridge that talks to the hard drive

3GB or 6GB only means the "river flow" ( how fast communication speed ) between hard drive and southbridge

for reading, how fast the reading head can read from the hard disk is a major factor, and which is usually the bottleneck

the hard drive itself is like a pump to pump for the river flow ( for 3GB or 6GB ) to the SATA interface

no matter how fast interface can flow, your pump don't pump that fast, it's still meaningless

check Western digital website for max output of your hard drive model, and I bet standard 7200 rpm hard drive will never ever reach 3GB speed

I am not expert, but trust me, I used to work in a RAID card development company, and I read about hard drive performance

if your computer keeps on loading, upgrade other components, CPU, video cards, or memory, the game demands these 3 much more than hard drive

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