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Some new build advice needed

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I've decided to treat myself for christmas with a new PC. My budget isn't unlimited so to save a few ££s i will be building it myself. I haven't done this for a while and i'm not really up to date on hardware.

I currently use:

E7400

8800gt - 512mb

3gig

SB X-Fi extreme

xp

I am planning to recycle the GFX and sound cards for now to save more for the rest.

I want to build a PC that will run 2 accounts on fairly high settings. Without, as much as possible, having to create an industrial wind tunnel in my lounge to cool the thing.

The biggest decision as far as i can see will be the CPU. AMD or intel? 2, 4 or 6 cores? The i7 950 @ £215 is probably the most i would like to spend, could i get good enough performance with 2 accounts spending any less? I might be open to over-clocking.

Also, is SSD worth the extra? Are they viable as a primary drive now?

I will be upgrading to win7(64) but from what i can see, the best amount of ram to get depends on the CPU, with the i7 boards being tri channel.

I ask here, rather than a PC specialist site, as this game is really the only thing the PC will do that requires more juice. Any suggestions/advice welcome.

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If this is the only game you will play then here's a few pointers:

Number of cores aren't that interesting since the game only uses 1 core no matter what (with a few minor routines adressed to a second but it doesn't make any noticable difference). To run 2 accounts you should be able to set affinity so they run on one core each. Hence, a quad core will be more than enough.

Memorywise I don't get the idea that you can use more memory with the intel than the AMD. True, if you're using the triple channel mode on the intel systems you will probably start out with a minimum of 6 GB and on an AMD system (currently) that only can use dual channel means 4 GB. You can have something up to 64 GB ram on both so that shouldn't hold you back. To run one account 4 GB is more than enough, how much of an impact 2 accounts will have I don't know but perhaps 6 or 8 GB would be good to be safe.

Don't want to make any suggestions for hardware though, just giving some pointers. I know to little about intel systems but I can suggest an AMD one if you want to that will work very well.

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If you want to run 2 accounts then you need at least 3 cores.

Half a year ago I upgraded CPU from E6600 OC @ 2,9GHz to E8600 OC @ 3,9GHZ, that made good differens. (single account)

A 4 cored Intel with good speed on two cores is what you need, some of the new ones throttle up good when just one cores is used, cant remeber details on these i5/i7 when 2 cores go 100%.

/K

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if you want power for money, i'd rather buy the:

Intel Core i5-760, about 30% cheaper and only 3% slower

if you only play BGE, then i rather suggest:

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition

cause the CPU speed counts more.

no SSD isn't worth the money only for gaming, if you do more with your PC (e.g. video or graphic) then it really is. maybe you could buy a hybrid disk:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/09/seagate-momentus-xt-hybrid-hard-drive-review/

buy at least 4gb, but rather 8gb. take the less fast and buy more is better.

also be careful with the mainboard, this also counts a lot for speed!

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well bud420's system (this is indo on buds account, indo acc caught a ban...lol)

has a i7-920 @ 3.0ghz and a GTX260

i've got a X4 955 @ 3.7Ghz and a ATi 5770

the fps difference is usually 3~5fps different (mine being slower) but most of the time its running exactly the same.

Soooooo if your on a budget i might suggest a AMD based system. they've got the

X4 970's now. but its the same as the 965 and 955 series, the only difference is the default multiplier is set higher, but with black edition AMD's you can change the multiplier to what ever you want and basiaclly get a 970 series for the price of a 965 or 955. thats how mines running at 3.7Ghz (3.5+ can take some other changes as well, but 3.5Ghz is easy for any AMD x4 to do without changing other settings)

just ask me or munchkin how to change it if you do get a AMD based system.

if you assign two cores to one ww2.exe, and the other two to a secondary .exe it'll run fine, might check the "low memory" option though if your sticking with 4~6GB

8800GT w/112SPU ought to run the game fine, it ran fine on my 8800GTS SSC that also had 112 cores, just a higher clock speed and mem speed. not as well as my 5770 though. but i'm sure the 8800GT would do well for two accounts at once.

As far as SSD's go like the other guys said, the difference in loading is decent enough, but as far as FPS gains.. its nil to nothing. a good SATA 6 mainboard will do you fine along with a SATA 6 drive.

4 or 6 cores, the processor speed is the same, and theres just addtional cache. thats about the only difference, and since ww2 can only see 25.03% of a quad, then a six core (my math sucks) would be 1/6th of that. so with two .exe's open in theory it'd be 50.06% usage.

IF cooling is a concern, they make all-in-one liquid coolers now like the Corsair H50 or the CoolIT Eco that are realitivly cheap and would allow you to attain a insane overclock down the road if you feel like you need to squeeze some extra FPS out of your system they also run quiet and cool.

i7's do run triple channel, but AMD's run dual channel ganged or un ganed. but the overall capacity doesn't matter between the two. I7's can just access three sticks at once while amd's can do two.. but performance wise the differences aren't all to much.

so you would want to do 2 sticks on a AMD or 4 sticks. and 3 sticks or 6 sticks on a intel. (which can get expensive)

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Thanks for the advice gents.

The 4x AMD looks a good cheaper option. But would the much larger cache of the i5/i7 bring me significant extra performance?

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Thanks for the advice gents.

The 4x AMD looks a good cheaper option. But would the much larger cache of the i5/i7 bring me significant extra performance?

In gaming, not really. These larger caches will be noticed when you're doing things like encoding, decoding and very number intense operations. There have been plenty of tests that show that for most games this isn't that important. True, this game is a lot more CPU dependant than others but the difference in performance is still to small to really justify that much higher price.

If all you're doing is gaming then I really don't see what the intels can offer that merits such a high price compared to the amd's.

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