silversoil

New vehicles and weapons

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lets discuss what vehicles/ weapons we want to be added , as crs said the priority was new vehicles and weapons !

i want the 222 , us halftrack , p51 , gliders , and us paratroopers involving the

para riflemen m1 garand

para smg thompson

para sniper , scope springfield

para carbine , m1 carbine

para lmg / ar , browning 30.

or BAR

AND ALL THE OTHER PARA CLASSES

(yes i know most likely only one on this list would be added even if they liked the suggestions , but the paras fall under the weapon area for me , and the us paras were mentioned on the road map video a while back)

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Considering how scarcely paras get used *and* the fact that Allies already have two "sets" of para-infantry, I don't see why this should be a priority.

P-51 ... sure. But you do realize this would mean including something comparable for the other air-forces, right? Like a Griffon-powered Spit for the Brits and a 109 K-4, 190 D-9/D-13 or even Ta-152 for Axis. I'm feeling generous, so I'll leave out the 262.. ;)

Meaning CRS would have to model at least three planes, not one.

Besides: If you want the good stuff for your team, you should be asking for a late-model P-38 or a P-47D. Ponies are overrated, IMO and in most MMO-sims I've flown, the Jugs and late-model FTDs were the ones you had to worry about.. Was always nice to see P-51s stall out and crash back in Warbirds when some n00b was foolishly trying to stall-fight in one near the deck.

Now *this* is a manly plane:

P47-bankleft-02.jpg

And gliders? We already have those in the game... just turn off the engines on the Ju52 or C-47 .. :D

S.

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I would like to see more types of light vehicles (trucks, half-tracks) equiped with AA guns, motors, mgs, atgs on the back.

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This whole game idea/suggestion idea is crap, lets get more players in game.

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Considering how scarcely paras get used *and* the fact that Allies already have two "sets" of para-infantry, I don't see why this should be a priority.

P-51 ... sure. But you do realize this would mean including something comparable for the other air-forces, right? Like a Griffon-powered Spit for the Brits and a 109 K-4, 190 D-9/D-13 or even Ta-152 for Axis. I'm feeling generous, so I'll leave out the 262.. ;)

Meaning CRS would have to model at least three planes, not one.

Besides: If you want the good stuff for your team, you should be asking for a late-model P-38 or a P-47D. Ponies are overrated, IMO and in most MMO-sims I've flown, the Jugs and late-model FTDs were the ones you had to worry about.. Was always nice to see P-51s stall out and crash back in Warbirds when some n00b was foolishly trying to stall-fight in one near the deck.

Now *this* is a manly plane:

P47-bankleft-02.jpg

And gliders? We already have those in the game... just turn off the engines on the Ju52 or C-47 .. :D

S.

#1 p51

the p51 was ORIGANNALY for britain , but the americans liked it so much , they made it theres , BUT BRITS DID USE IT , RARELY .maybe france too?

#2 paras

paras are good for towns 1 minute away so no fru needed . and are good for pros like 101st who ALWAYS LAND ON THE SPAWNABLE OR TOWN , paras are very good for weakening the towns defense so inf are not being mowed down from the fru to town. if used paras ARE BEAST

gliders , im not talking about a glider like that , a glider is a STEALTH aircraft , pulled by c47 , the glider would disconnect at half way to target , then about 1 min from target m it would fly to just about tree top hieght , getting inf in stealthly , they would not be seen

and what about the halftrack sascha , what are your thoughts ?

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the p51 was ORIGANNALY for britain , but the americans liked it so much , they made it theres , BUT BRITS DID USE IT , RARELY .maybe france too?

Careful what you wish for. The Mustang Mk I you're talking about was nothing like the iconic P-51Ds that flew long-range escort missions. More of a ground pounder with sluggish performance above 5k or so. And for ground attack, I'd rather be sitting behind the P-47's huge radial than in an Allison or even Merlin-powered Pony.

Yeah.. I know what you mean by gliders, my response wasn't completely serious.

Halftracks... well.. if we stick with historical accuracy they would be a mid-/late-war addition to the set. Seeing how scarcely the 251 gets used on the Axis side (like almost never), I don't see why the US shouldn't get their HT at some point.

Thing is: Opels are much faster and don't suffer enough off-road penalty to make the 251 attractive. And the 251's other traits aren't enough to offset the Opel's speed advantage: It's MG has a very limited field of fire (I hardly ever use that thing) and the armor protection will only keep out small-arms fire.

S.

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My dream about the game.

I hope the US side gets her own navy and air force and some other own stuff only for him. So we have a real complet new fraction in the game.

For the US Navy.

I hope not a clone from the FmB and the britisch DD.

Somthink specially new makes many allied players happy i think.

For the us air force

Curtiss H-75 (f2p)

Curtiss H-81 A2

Curtiss H-87 B3

P-38F Lightning

P-39 D-1 Airacobra

C-47 Dakota

(All with real us air force skins)

And as new stuff only for us air force.

P-51 (with bombs)

Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress (RDP Bomber)

On the ground for the us army some more selection of hand guns and rifles.

And specially a sherman firefly for fight vs the tiger.

For the German Luftwaffe

Me 262 A-1a Schwalbe

For German ground force i think it is better some players from the ground can say what they really need or want to upgrade. (8,8 Flak with armor-plate)

For both side and all fraction trucks or tanks with good AA guns.

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Careful what you wish for. The Mustang Mk I you're talking about was nothing like the iconic P-51Ds that flew long-range escort missions. More of a ground pounder with sluggish performance above 5k or so. And for ground attack, I'd rather be sitting behind the P-47's huge radial than in an Allison or even Merlin-powered Pony.

Yeah.. I know what you mean by gliders, my response wasn't completely serious.

Halftracks... well.. if we stick with historical accuracy they would be a mid-/late-war addition to the set. Seeing how scarcely the 251 gets used on the Axis side (like almost never), I don't see why the US shouldn't get their HT at some point.

Thing is: Opels are much faster and don't suffer enough off-road penalty to make the 251 attractive. And the 251's other traits aren't enough to offset the Opel's speed advantage: It's MG has a very limited field of fire (I hardly ever use that thing) and the armor protection will only keep out small-arms fire.

S.

yes , i know about the mk1 one p51 , i want them both

and thank you for this response

but this thread is meant to see what player base wants to be added not what i want , so what would you guys want?

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Me 262 A-1a Schwalbe

I'm fairly confident this is never going to happen ....sadly.. :(

I remember "jet day" in Warbirds where we would get the 262 for a day or two in the historical arena. Needless to say, the whining on the Allied side over jet-day was unbearable. Whining by the same guys who'd enjoy speed advantages for most of the latter part of the plane-set in their late war P-47s, P-38s and P-51s ... :D

S.

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well, if we would get it, i think it really should be in the game, but with very low supply. like 2 - 4 per AF? i mean 262

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well, if we would get it, i think it really should be in the game, but with very low supply. like 2 - 4 per AF? i mean 262

And that's precisely why it'll be low priority development-wise.

Back in WB, the 262 was reserved for special events and the aforementioned "jet-day" - so it hardly ever got used.

Besides: If Warbirds and IL-2 are any indication, virtual 262s aren't quite the uberplanes people might think they are. It's insanely fast, but it's also pretty sluggish and totally unsuitable for the TnB-crowd.

Just like in RL, you'll be vulnerable on landing and take-off and you'll have to deal with things like slow responding throttles (or instant engine damage if you change throttle-setting too quickly), insane closure speeds, ultra-short firing windows and the weird ballistics of the 30mm MK108. P-51s were called "Runstangs" in Warbirds, but the 262 was a "Runstang" on steroids.. :D

Of course: Way back when WW2ONL was starting out, we all expected the 262 to enter this game at some point - just like we expected the Tiger to make an entrance at some point. It's an iconic plane of WW2, was made in surprisingly large numbers and equipped at least an entire squad (JV44). I really would love to see it in this game, but we have to stay realistic: If CRS currently don't even have the capability to model a new *prop*-plane, how realistic is it to expect them to model a jet?

The more realistic scenario would be a late model P-38 and a Griffon powered Spit for Allies and a 109 K-4 and/or 190 Dora (hopefully a variant other than the D-9) for Axis. All of which already have their predecessors present in the game.

S.

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Personally, I just wonder who came up with the US getting the P-38F as their fighter. As far as I can tell, the F wasn't used in Europe at all. In 8th Air Force records, four fighter groups used the P-38 and none of those used the F model. The 20th and 55th Fighter Groups used just a few of the the H model then the J model as their standard issue. The 364th and 479th Fighter Groups used only the J model.

Source: http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/

That gets us to the "French" model of the P-38, the Lockheed 322-15. The French only ever used the reconnaisance model of the P-38, the F-5A and B variants. From everything I've found in my research, it would be more accurate to give the French the Hurricane IIC or the Spit VB, both of which were used by the Free French Air Force.

-Irish

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Personally, I just wonder who came up with the US getting the P-38F as their fighter.

I *think* we have a 38F that's called a 322. IIRC, the French ordered a pretty crappy version of the plane - no superchargers, no counter-rotating props for example.

In March 1940, the French and the British, through the Anglo-French Purchasing Committee, ordered a total of 667 P-38s for US$100M,[48] designated Model 322F for the French and Model 322B for the British. The aircraft would be a variant of the P-38E. The overseas Allies wished for complete commonality of Allison engines with the large numbers of Curtiss P-40 Tomahawks both nations had on order, and thus ordered the Model 322 twin right-handed engines instead of counter-rotating ones, and without turbo-superchargers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-38_Lightning#High-speed_compressibility_problems

S.

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Mo (project manager) and Hatch (as an aircraft modeler) made the call on the version of P-38 that was modeled for the game, on the basis that the British cancelled the aircraft after testing the French ones that were diverted to England after France surrendered (much like the "French" P-40's the British got earlier on that were to be landed in French port right as the French surrendered, then hastily sent to England) .... and that if the order *would* have gone ahead to a France that didn't surrender, it would have been the early F configuration we got in the game instead.

I realize this is a highly debatable subject, but that's what they decided.

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Mo (project manager) and Hatch (as an aircraft modeler) made the call on the version of P-38 that was modeled for the game, on the basis that the British cancelled the aircraft after testing the French ones that were diverted to England after France surrendered (much like the "French" P-40's the British got earlier on that were to be landed in French port right as the French surrendered, then hastily sent to England) .... and that if the order *would* have gone ahead to a France that didn't surrender, it would have been the early F configuration we got in the game instead.

I realize this is a highly debatable subject, but that's what they decided.

Heh... By the time the order was ready to be filled, it would have already been cancelled, because that version never met the performance specs. Whether it was cancelled by England or France wouldn't have made any difference. And, there is still no way the Americans would have ever used that same variant, since they weren't designed to our specs and we were already flying P-40s anyway.

-Irish

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Id love to see heavy machine guns that could be used I'm talking hotchkiss mle 1914 or a vickers MG and the older lee enfield and the french berthier rifle

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You realize of course, in our game of largely sub 5k flying for pilots, a low altitude barnstormer with 4 x 20mm Hispano cannons (P-36 Apache) would be pretty much an air superiority machine, right.

Yeah the adaption of the Merlin, leading to the licensing of that engine to Packard (for mass production England could never match) produced the war winning P-51 .... but in it's element (low altitude) the early A-36 Apache (the original Allison engined airframe) was damn good as a low altitude raider, and was actually employed to hunt down Fw190's acting in their early hit and run fighter bomber role at low altitudes where they could outrun Mk.V Spitfires.

Plus it had 4 x 20mm at the end of it's build period. Early examples had .50's (2 in the nose and 4 in the wings) but the British soon fixed that.

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You realize of course, in our game of largely sub 5k flying for pilots, a low altitude barnstormer with 4 x 20mm Hispano cannons (P-36 Apache) would be pretty much an air superiority machine, right.

Not too sure about that - and I'm only speculating here, mind you.

If the 4x Hispanos had been considered that good an option for a non-ground-attack version, why wouldn't the US have adopted them for later models as well? Instead they went with 6x .50 cal - and (IIRC) 4x.50 cal on some earlier versions:

The armament was changed to four .50 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns, two in each wing, with a maximum of 350 rounds per gun (rpg) for the inboard guns and 280 rpg for the outboard.

Quote describing the P-51A/Mustang II

P-51A_zpsi2wlism9.jpg

I would imagine this thing to be a bit more sluggish with those heavy cannon sticking out of the wing like that. Plus there's the issue of the laminar flow wing which makes all Mustangs' handling tricky once you approach stall-fight speeds and/or high AoA.

No matter though, since the "fix" should be fairly easy: Introduce a 109 and/or 190 with MW50 modeled. That system gives a nice boost in HP at altitudes below 6k or so. I'm currently flying the first sim I've encountered that seems to do MW50 justice (DCS Dora-9). Slamming the throttle wide open in that sim is like a revelation as to why the Germans were using water/methanol-injection in the first place. The effect matches pretty much exactly what LW-pilots would say in post-war interviews about the power-increase this thing would offer.

Especially the 109-series could use some serious lovin' IMO. The current G-6 is such a dog in its tier. Could use a bigger engine/MW-50, 20mm engine-cannon-option and Erla-hood/Galland-armor.

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The USA didn't adopt the 4 x 20mm option sooner for two main reasons:-

1. Logistics. Having everyone in all branches concerned using the same ammunition (.50 cal) made everything easier, on every facet of operating a war.

2. The American 20mm effort (the M2 version of the gun) had a lot of early problems that they didn't solve for quite some time. The US Navy was the strongest proponent of the move to 20mm, but the problems persisted until very late on. So in the meantime, stay with old reliable, the .50 cal.

There was a 3rd aspect, that being "higher ups" always took change and tended to resist it, especially if what they already had seemed to work really well.

In the terms of the GAME however, 4 x 20mm Hispano (the M2 was a licensed development of the Hispano for all intents and purposes) ... well anyway, the 4 x 20mm option would really have no downside for game pilots and the Allison engined "early Mustang" (a misnomer but you get the message) was a very fast aircraft on the deck, which of course means "at low altitudes".

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#1 p51

the p51 was ORIGANNALY for britain , but the americans liked it so much , they made it theres , BUT BRITS DID USE IT , RARELY .maybe france too?

#2 paras

paras are good for towns 1 minute away so no fru needed . and are good for pros like 101st who ALWAYS LAND ON THE SPAWNABLE OR TOWN , paras are very good for weakening the towns defense so inf are not being mowed down from the fru to town. if used paras ARE BEAST

gliders , im not talking about a glider like that , a glider is a STEALTH aircraft , pulled by c47 , the glider would disconnect at half way to target , then about 1 min from target m it would fly to just about tree top hieght , getting inf in stealthly , they would not be seen

and what about the halftrack sascha , what are your thoughts ?

Brits originally did contract north American to build the p51 but when delivered it had a Allison engine and was not long range or high alt fighter. Brits didn't want it, north American then put the British merlin engine in it and it became the icon we know. But with the Allison engine it was just a fair ground attack plane.

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lets discuss what vehicles/ weapons we want to be added , as crs said the priority was new vehicles and weapons !

i want the 222 , us halftrack , p51 , gliders , and us paratroopers involving the

para riflemen m1 garand

para smg thompson

para sniper , scope springfield

para carbine , m1 carbine

para lmg / ar , browning 30.

or BAR

AND ALL THE OTHER PARA CLASSES

(yes i know most likely only one on this list would be added even if they liked the suggestions , but the paras fall under the weapon area for me , and the us paras were mentioned on the road map video a while back)

For a FREE TO PLAY player, you sure are pushy.

Pay now.... Then you have a right to an opinion.

Free now... then you are just on for the ride.

:cool:

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My guess would be that when CRS relatively recently added this Suggestions forum, they put it in a folder that F2P players could access because they wanted to consider input from everyone.

That's just my guess, though.

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For a FREE TO PLAY player, you sure are pushy.

Pay now.... Then you have a right to an opinion.

Free now... then you are just on for the ride.

:cool:

Easy now.

:)

F2P players have opinions, maybe some good ones and they do contribute to the game by pumping up the player base.

I am hoping to get back at this game soon.

Salute !

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