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      New Community Volunteer Opportunity   04/29/2017

      With the looming Steam release, we are anticipating many new players to the game. This is great for all of us, and it's important that we retain as many as we can. With that in mind, we'd like to enlist players to help with the inevitable questions asked in the forums. Ideally, gameplay questions are asked and answered in-game, but it's not always easy or convenient to answer questions while playing. A Gameplay Support Forum would be a good place for those who want to help. We are now accepting volunteers for the Rat Patrol, who will provide correct and consistent info to new players in the Forums. The more new players we retain, the better it is for the game and the biggest hurdle in player retention is grasping the complexities of this game. If you are interested, send me a PM.  
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      Squad Leaders Contact GVONPAUL OR Dodger for Squad Forums   05/18/2017

      Soldiers!

      We are seeking Squad Leaders to volunteer their squads to help us test the upcoming Squad Forums system. This system will integrate squads who wish to participate into a self-sustained "forum within a forum." You will be able to add members to your squad, assign permissions, and create forums/calendar events on your own. The idea behind this system is part of our commitment to support squads as a integral part of our community. This service will be offered free of charge to all squads of World War II Online upon launch. Our goal is to offer all of the services a squad off-site forum can offer but free of charge and tied in to our existing forum service. So what do you need tested? We need willing volunteers to test the whole system - make forums, post threads, assign permissions, etc. The idea is to have several squads giving it a test run to point out any flaws before we launch it publicly. What are the requirements? We are ideally looking for medium to large squads - Ideally ten people or so plus, but smaller squads feel free to apply - and a willingness to use our platform. It's important to note (as of now - these may be included at a later date) we are unable to convert posts from a private forum if your squad previously used one, and you (or your XO's and recruiters) will need to assign individual members permissions. It is entirely possible that in the future this system will be automatically linked to the game's squad roster, but as of now developer priorities are elsewhere (1.37 and steam, w00t!) How do I sign up? PM me ( @Dodger ) on the forums, or email me at dodger@playnet.com - Please indicate your squad name and how many members you have. I will get back to you with more instructions.

chyrenz

Lone Wolfing....this is why things go bad.

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Gday all :)

Yup, I support co-operative play, here is a post I did for the Axis sub-forum recently (I play Axis only) :


The Axis has been much improved lately, with great leadership from potthead & ozsheila, xcas, gsc, rotschild, and mrsnow5 is back too ! There has been some great teamwork lately, we had a superb FB bust today with mrwinters and zippo leading a two-pronger.
Not mention fantastic paradrops - vondeesko just dropped a dozen of us within a few yards of perfect length to take the town. Ancian dropped me on the ROOF of the CP :)Marcion drives a mean truck for a 1932 year old.
It's a great team our Axis - from the world expert on vehicle sapping (parasit), to those cowardly snipers who hide in far-away bushes (oh, hi there boudreau ;)
)


Our combining of arms is getting smoother and more effective in many ways, with great work from many (hmmm... getting too many for a sentence each, better COndense)  like tman, delems, holmium, timbo69, sudden, ch53guni, shagher, imkharn, hierbart, glock1, rockhit, khbeowuf, dogrocket, montyuno, laroche, geeezer, ssgkev, flong139, indian, jdizo0, googs, kareca, dandare9 et al - from the enthusiasm of the younger crowd like n8r, to the returning vets like icq and sgthenning.
Even those strange chaps with all caps NAMES (who are suspiciously well-informed) often xoom in from kms away to help.

 

Let's Go !
So let's build on this, and take it further - because we can expect an influx of new players with Steam. Imagine if we have a clear and practiced doctrine for soldiers in place - so that the first time with a rifle in their hands turns out to be a fun battle with team-mates; not a sudden death all alone from who-knows-where - then a few more ...
This is focussed on low-level infantry tactics, but it mentions guns and tanks as well. And it's just a kernel of an idea, I hope leaders and experienced players can flesh it out and support it.
Make Germany Great Again ! (I only play Axis)

 

COndense and COoperate
The essence of it is that simple phrase, which expresses the basics and implies this whole doctrine. We all know the importance of sticking together, and cooperating, but it's not that easy to turn it into practice - a typical spawning soldier tends to just run straight for the target (until he dies.) I propose that we (leadership and experienced players) encourage infantry to follow tactics like so :

 

Spawning Infantry :
Stop. Check map, look around -
Is there a group / fireteam nearby ? Then head quickly towards it.
Is there a Rally Pt towards the target ? Then head towards it.
Are there men spawning in behind you ? Then slow down a bit.
Are there men in front ? Then hurry towards them.
CONDENSE !
Don't be a solo Rambo and die all alone and un-mourned :(

 

Fire-team of Infantry :
Once a group (fire-team) has formed, move with it towards the Rally Pt, or the target. NOT too fast - stop on occasion under cover, let stragglers catch up, allow any AT guns to keep up. If there are friendly tanks around, then try to go near them. A fire-team is much stronger than a solo Rambo.
At the Rally Pt, get defensive, wait for stragglers - and OBSERVE the target - look for their guns and LMGs and EIs. Hear them before they hear you. Mark them.
Then attack at the right time, together - with LMGs ready to cover the approach and doors - then smoke, nades, SMGs rush ...
COOPERATE !
Your team victories will be celebrated by poets and bards, women will cry out your names, statues in your home town will be garlanded with roses !
But don't dribble in one by one to each die a sad and lonely death, un-marked under the sky, your abandoned corpse desecrated by dogs and vultures ...

 

Leaders and vets :
Encourage COndense & COoperate - mention it in .orders, practice it in game. Place a Rally Pt near the target, and move it as battle changes.
Tell new players especially. Praise good teamwork. Mercilessly abuse solo Rambos :) And naturally it goes without saying that any cowards who hide in far-away bushes should be ridiculed and out-cast from society ;)

Useful insults might include :
"Ruh Roh, Rambo !"
"Kapyong's on a Rambo Rampage !"
"Hey you ! We're CO CO, not SOLO !"

 

Rambos & Snipers :
Seriously - it's a game - if you want to play Rambo or sniper (and hopefully you're good at it like klaus or boudreau) - great :) Have fun.

 

We're going to CO CO M.O. :
Just to show how serious this is, I am pleased and proud to announce that even the Beach Boys support this COndense and COoperate Modus Operandi - with their song :
COCOMO by the Beach Boys

 

(Note that I have poor hearing and don't use discord - but those who do should find it useful to organise tactics like this.)


Hoping for suggestions and support :)

Kapyong

 

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Let me ask this.  What is one thing squads get that lone wolfs don't have?

Give squads a perk or advantage..... map tools, PPOs? supply? missions? rank? points? anything.......

There is a lot of talk about squad focus, lately,  I've heard;  but I don't see one thing exclusive for them, do you?
 

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44 minutes ago, delems said:

Let me ask this.  What is one thing squads get that lone wolfs don't have?

Give squads a perk or advantage..... map tools, PPOs? supply? missions? rank? points? anything.......

There is a lot of talk about squad focus, lately,  I've heard;  but I don't see one thing exclusive for them, do you?
 

No, I don't, and that is the way it should be.  Why should squad members get any perks?  Most squad members play as lone wolves most of the time.

 

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I'm in a Squad , I like to sit in my Stug3b or G , I need all the SA I can get in that thing and having a whole bunch of squad mates in my ear while I need to hear that approaching ET I say  NO THANK YOU to voice coms. 

I have used them, hell Sturmgrenadier was one of these squads that did use Voicecoms, but we had a strict rule how to use it and when we were allowed to speak . And it worked . 

I lone wolf , I play within the Squad , I have seen other players in Squads do nothing I have seen lonewolf report and mark . It's all out there.

Having said that it's time to get my [censored] back into game ,real life has kept me busy as of late  , and gaming time has been tough to find.

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On ‎4‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 1:22 PM, Sudden said:

Firstly,  I am going to take a deep breath. Then I am going to do my best to help them.  A new wwiiol is beginning.

Yup. and count to 10. and sigh a lot and and and and

and try to remember I was a noob back when this was beta.

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The squad is the ONLY reason I play this game. When I am on and no other squaddies.

It gets boring fast for me.

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I would say that for most players in  general, Chyrenz is correct.  But not for everyone.   I can move faster to objectives than most and do more damage as a lone wolf.  Plus I don't like TS or whatever, I don't like "squad night," and I don't like taking orders.    But a squad of competent players will always rule over lone wolves.  

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57 minutes ago, cabby said:

I would say that for most players in  general, Chyrenz is correct.  But not for everyone.   I can move faster to objectives than most and do more damage as a lone wolf.  Plus I don't like TS or whatever, I don't like "squad night," and I don't like taking orders.    But a squad of competent players will always rule over lone wolves.  

Sure, I agree.  But it really doesn't matter who is more effective.  

This rant against lone wolves declaring them to be second-class, unworthy players is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard!  Sounds just like those holier-than-thou liberal socialist who thinks they know what is good for others.   They can .. .... ..........!

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I am a lone wolf.

 However I am not an island, people are constantly helping me, warning me, pointing out targets, and as often as I can I do the same for them, yes squadplay can be very immersive  if you're on  some kind of voice coms,  but if a player is playing for Rank or for kills playing as part of a squad  it's not necessarily consistent with that or those aims,  devotion to the squad should take precedence while one is not necessarily inconsistent with the other you can't really devote yourself to one and not have it be at the expense of the other.

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I spent my first 10 years lone wolfing. Had a lot of fun, and don't regret a damn thing. I took some time vetting squads before I finally joined though.

Picking a squad that resonates with your game style is key.

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The tone of the OP is misjudged.

I think what the OP wanted to say is that with voice comms and playing as a team, they were mega-effective and kicked posterior.

There is no single prescription for playing the game. Not everyone has the environment or time that allows them to play in this way. 

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19 minutes ago, Di11on said:

The tone of the OP is misjudged.

I think what the OP wanted to say is that with voice comms and playing as a team, they were mega-effective and kicked posterior.

There is no single prescription for playing the game. Not everyone has the environment or time that allows them to play in this way. 

the TS guys never mark or read chat

they're completely detached from critical information and they fail to provide everyone else with information, even among other TS channels. they're in their own little game bubble and constantly talk about how superior it is, they don't want people to use voice comms: they want people to use their voice comms.

 

a lot of the time they don't even set up missions correctly cause they're soo detached from the rest of the population; no marks or chat makes little difference to them.

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11 hours ago, major0noob said:

the TS guys never mark or read chat

they're completely detached from critical information and they fail to provide everyone else with information, even among other TS channels. they're in their own little game bubble and constantly talk about how superior it is, they don't want people to use voice comms: they want people to use their voice comms.

a lot of the time they don't even set up missions correctly cause they're soo detached from the rest of the population; no marks or chat makes little difference to them.

Sorry, but I'm call BS on that. 

I'm in a squad and we ALWAYS use TS. We mark religiously. We read chat religiously.  I am forever complaining about the LACK of marks on an AO or DO.... In Chat.

And being on TS has absolutely nothing to do with knowing how to set a mission. Anyone that does it wrong, did it on purpose or they're a complete moron.

Best not to lump everyone into one pile there major.

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back when i used it every single channel never marked.

they're notorious for never marking trucks too, instead of making a ant trail or even a single mark they'd just say there's a truck N/E/S/W.

they let tanks move and camp everywhere and only talk about them among themselves, spawning a sapper or RPAT instead of marking it for friendly tanks/guns.

 

that was my experience with TS.

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7 hours ago, major0noob said:

back when i used it every single channel never marked.

they're notorious for never marking trucks too, instead of making a ant trail or even a single mark they'd just say there's a truck N/E/S/W.

they let tanks move and camp everywhere and only talk about them among themselves, spawning a sapper or RPAT instead of marking it for friendly tanks/guns.

 

that was my experience with TS.

This isn't always the case.  But it happens a lot more often than it doesn't unfortunately.

 

I see it a lot in the air too.  Guys on VOIP will call each other's 6, but not one of them will take the time to type "capco 666", let alone look at anyone without their squad tag.  

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Whenever i'm on TS i always try to mark contacts even when others didnt. Squads should dedicate players to mark for them if they are too busy to mark themselves.

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My Personal experience with WHIPS is that the game became more fun and my K/D better after I joined...

Lone wolf was my thing...  Now I'd rather get killed  helping a squad buddy than letting him struggle. 

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On 24/04/2017 at 0:02 PM, major0noob said:

the TS guys never mark or read chat

That's complete bull[censored].

I use Discord for vocal communication, still doesn't stop me from writting in the chat. Heck, most allied player must be bored by how I write a lot in the chat!

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