raptor34

The heart of WW2OL

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S! All,

Since coming back to WW2OL in January after a multi-year break, I’ve spent quite of bit of time both in game and reading about the various states of things on the forums. To sum it up, I feel that WW2OL is facing a bit of a crisis of direction at times, at least in what some players are expecting, including me. What I want to discuss is not the spirit of WW2OL (the WW2OL Moment as XOOM has put forward) but the heart of the game, it's base rules that make it a combined arms simulator (or least what it can be given limitations).

For me, WW2OL has always been about the simulation aspect, about getting things as close as possible to reality in an MMO environment as possible. Lately, I’ve seen a lot of discussion about how to balance and automate the game in order to make up for various issues. While I understand that population is a major factor in this, I also feel that there is a distinct pull by some towards making things more action and balance, but at what expense? Other FPS can and are doing great justice towards smaller, focused map battles but WW2OL is something else. It has the scale and a dynamic campaign that is based entirely on the actions of its players. With these thoughts in mind, I’d like to present a few ideas/thoughts on the direction of WW2OL for the community to discuss. I know that not all will agree but that’s ok, I think it’s a conversation worth having.

 

1.    Simulation and historical accuracy should continue to drive WW2OL. No other game has focused on the early war like ours has and to be honest I’d like to see that fleshed out rather than running around adding in a Tiger here and a Firefly there. WW2OL could be more complete by picking a timeline and era and doing it really well, rather than trying to mix up 1940s gear with 1943/44 gear all on the same map. I for one would be interested in seeing a limited supply tier 0/1 game only that simulates the 1940 blitz. Next campaign could be a 1943 invasion by US/UK that brings in the late tier equipment without feeling out of place while adding in map variations.  

2.    Perfect balance is not required in a wargame. Through all the talk of CP timers, EWS, and Tigers, I see the difficulty in trying to balance the game. It doesn’t need to be. Players can and should adjust their tactics to make up the strengths and weaknesses of their side. If one side breaks out, they should reap the benefits of it. Supply should run low or run out if attacks are done poorly and losses are too high. High consequences are a fact in a simulation wargame, not trying to override the fun of playing but they do give urgency and weight to the actions of the players. I think there needs to be more of that not less.

3.    Player action should drive gameplay. Like most of you, I am looking forward to what 1.36 will bring. While I personally like the TOE system, it’s not working right now and the issues it brings are well known (limited AOs, too much supply, HC, and so on). It is my hope that 1.36 will put the pressure on players to work together, built supply for attacks, and work as a combined arms force. In this, there needs to be room for a side to make quick progress. If one side is winning there should be no limitations on those players being able to exploit their success.

 

 

To sum it all up, I believe that WW2OL should strive to be more historically accurate, hardcore, and a challenge while delivering a player driven battlefield where actions and leadership matter.

 

- Edit - This was a post I've been meaning to make for a long time, even if just to express how I feel WW2OL should develop moving forward. Each issue needs to be broken down and looked at one at a time, this post does not do that. My only objective was to try to express a vision for this project and maybe hear what others have to say about the same.

 

Raptor34

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I don't disagree with the spirit of your post - however if you're interested in the game's future I'd suggest you change the following - " Free Play Account ". ;)

 

TOEs like many things in this game suffered from an incomplete delivery IMO (both in scope and tool set). Focusing on the blitz, could be great but we don't have a complete weapon set for 1940, nor 41, nor ... etc. The game has survived though and while not perfect in any sense - its still here. It is important to take note of that fact. Thousands of games have come and gone since this game's launch ... yet we're still here. I think we're all here because of the over all scope in spite of the likely forever incomplete state of the tool sets, the weapon lists, and all those things that you wish were better.

It is a beast of a game and I'm still here in hopes that it continues to grow, something I think this current team is really doing well is setting the game up to grow into the future. Turning that "Free Play Account" into a paid account is the best thing you can do for that future and shows you support this team.

S!

 

 

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3 hours ago, madrebel said:

I don't disagree with the spirit of your post - however if you're interested in the game's future I'd suggest you change the following - " Free Play Account ". ;)

 

TOEs like many things in this game suffered from an incomplete delivery IMO (both in scope and tool set). Focusing on the blitz, could be great but we don't have a complete weapon set for 1940, nor 41, nor ... etc. The game has survived though and while not perfect in any sense - its still here. It is important to take note of that fact. Thousands of games have come and gone since this game's launch ... yet we're still here. I think we're all here because of the over all scope in spite of the likely forever incomplete state of the tool sets, the weapon lists, and all those things that you wish were better.

It is a beast of a game and I'm still here in hopes that it continues to grow, something I think this current team is really doing well is setting the game up to grow into the future. Turning that "Free Play Account" into a paid account is the best thing you can do for that future and shows you support this team.

S!

 

 

Bought a year of Premium two weeks ago but for some reason, the forums are not reflecting the change. In fact, after being on and off again I felt that now more than ever if WW2OL is going to survive it needs direction and funding. So I'm with you S!

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I have complete access to the forums. I also tried logging in and out as well as updating my profile but its showing Free Play. Thanks for looking into this.

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I read you as registered user @raptor34woot ! 

I agree with your points and I would add that instead of balancing things we should focus on offering complementary experiences to please different types of players.

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14 hours ago, raptor34 said:

I have complete access to the forums. I also tried logging in and out as well as updating my profile but its showing Free Play. Thanks for looking into this.

It happens, forum has a cruel sense of humor, just roll with it.

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