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forgot about this post til now and wanted to update: solved vongters problem via using the old 'Logitech Game Profiler' software you can get on logitech's site.  His issue was the twist (rudder Z axis) on the stick was noisy even when new because logitech sucks (note: mine had this problem too, also new out of box) The software allows you to set deadband on the axis and it actually works. For this issue the in game deadband and other software didnt work but the profiler software did work.

in real life?

https://wiki.wwiionline.com/view/Aike's_ATR_Guide heres a guide written by an asian dude. It appears he used somethin like google translate so the text may take some imagination to understand. I wish he was still around he seems lime a Grade A autist when it comes to the ATR would love to talk to him im on training server alot trying to break the game, if you got voice comms then we can shoot tonkz and figure some [censored] out if you'd like

ATTENTION AXIS In recognition of gallant and distinguished service, the Axis High Command hereby presents the following: Axis Fighter Ace Award to the following player Jay644 For actions in combat during campaign 189. On 11 Aug 2022, Jay644 departed Gilze Airfield on mission 194908 as a Bf109F-4. During the course of the 36 minute mission, Jay644 closed with and decisively engaged enemy air forces ultimately scoring 5 kills vs enemy aircraft. This epic sortie has earned Jay644 the distinctive designation of Air Ace. The actions of this service member were in keeping with the highest standards, and reflect credit upon the player, their country, and the Axis Forces.

Heres the guide, it shows sapper and ATR spots.    https://wwiionline.net/Axis-Sapper-ATR-Guide.jpg

Timing is changed in this next hot-patch to make it slower to deploy. I will try to make it so it can't be set that close to itself ..  Thanks for the feedback ..  

you can spam it. after every placement ... move just a tiny bit to the left or right ... and place another oneafter 10+ the net is so dense the enemy can't see you at all anymore ... from distance    way too easy to exploitalso I dislike the time on it. sets up too fast ... and you can instantly place a new one