Seriously messed up kill system

[dabar0n]

I just wanted to point out a new flaw...from a victims point of view. Something is different...very very different. I flew all day and I was killed all day as norm. Now I want to point out what is different. About half of all my deaths come from flopping when I am rolling or scissoring for position in a fight. (It happens alot!) Anyway...it used to be when I flopped to my death and someone had plinked me pretty good they would get the kill. Now virtually all my flop deaths regardless if I was hit or not do not show a killer. It makes me think it doesn't register unless its a critical hit. Now I don't really care much for stats but I know many of you do. So it only seems right that you should get a kill on me when you obviously bested me. It appears you are not. So to the rats...I hope you figure out what this might be because it will obviously frustrate a good majority of the hangar. And to my opponents (you know who you are because I was the one who probably flopped while either in a rolling scissor fight or while attempting to reverse on you) I am sorry, you earned the kill fair and square.

S!

dabar0n

[s4murai]

people whine about plink kills. now plink kills have mysteriously disappeared. people whine about there not being plink kills. you can't have everything

[unclreiben]

it doesn't seem any different to me...

Sabot8 plink plink plinked me S of Habay somewhere when I was trying to bring Squidrd prey...

dunno what happened to Sabot, but some time later I did a Split-S way too low with way too much speed and I just barely missed the ground so that I could hit the last tree in the row... aside from being hilarious as hell it gave the kill away...

...unless the tree was named Sabot8 of course...

[razak644]

i hate plink kills

[sabot8]

it doesn't seem any different to me...

Sabot8 plink plink plinked me S of Habay somewhere when I was trying to bring Squidrd prey...

dunno what happened to Sabot, but some time later I did a Split-S way too low with way too much speed and I just barely missed the ground so that I could hit the last tree in the row... aside from being hilarious as hell it gave the kill away...

...unless the tree was named Sabot8 of course...

I sent a spider monkey back to leap out of a tree and bite you in the gonads.

Though not sure how you know it was me. I cannot get stats up.

Edited June 14, 2010 by sabot8

[gabriel]

hmm

Was flying with Engima and TD the other day and I had been plinked up by a Heinkel I killed while flying a Hurri IIb. Later on in the sortie I got suckered by a 109 into a zoom climb and his friend came and blew me out of the sky.....

I showed no killer on my AAR. Without CSR up It's hard to know of it's just an AAR bug or If I really had no killer registered at all.

[dabar0n]

I am not saying one way or another about my feelings of plink kills. I am only saying it is different and alot of you are not getting kills like you should. I think perhaps I notice more than many of you because I die waaay more than most of you. Just bringing it up because I know I was beat and thought many of you should of gotten credit for it.

[hinterhalt]

people whine about plink kills. now plink kills have mysteriously disappeared. people whine about there not being plink kills. you can't have everything

I've been plink killed three times since yesterday, and took one no plink headshot. Was just flying straight, then without a sound "crew member one hit in the bean"

[nkelly]

I just wanted to point out a new flaw...from a victims point of view. Something is different...very very different. I flew all day and I was killed all day as norm. Now I want to point out what is different. About half of all my deaths come from flopping when I am rolling or scissoring for position in a fight. (It happens alot!) Anyway...it used to be when I flopped to my death and someone had plinked me pretty good they would get the kill. Now virtually all my flop deaths regardless if I was hit or not do not show a killer. It makes me think it doesn't register unless its a critical hit. Now I don't really care much for stats but I know many of you do. So it only seems right that you should get a kill on me when you obviously bested me. It appears you are not. So to the rats...I hope you figure out what this might be because it will obviously frustrate a good majority of the hangar. And to my opponents (you know who you are because I was the one who probably flopped while either in a rolling scissor fight I am sorry, you earned the kill fair and square.

S!

dabar0n

Plink kills are BS,nobody deserves a kill because you crashed,his shooting didnt cause you to crash if it was a plink,you caused yaself to crash because of your inability to keep your AC flying under pressure,now if they tear of your wing,kill your engine,hit you in the torso,head,arms or legs and that causes you to crash,yes they deserve the kill...

If the plink kill is gone,FANTASTIC and about time.

Cheap arse kiddy kills SMBS.

[alfheim]

Would love to discover 1.31 killed "plink-kills" (unearned kill credit).

We'll see.

Kudos to CRS if the plink-kill is a thing of the past.

[slyvan]

I sent a spider monkey back to leap out of a tree and bite you in the gonads.

Though not sure how you know it was me. I cannot get stats up.

It's show you your killer now in AAR

[binky]

My db7 just got wtfsploded by a 109 - no killer in aar or stats.

[gabriel]

My db7 just got wtfsploded by a 109 - no killer in aar or stats.

A trend...

This seems more like a possible bug then a new 'feature' I think

[toiletduck]

Plink kills are BS,nobody deserves a kill because you crashed,his shooting didnt cause you to crash if it was a plink,you caused yaself to crash because of your inability to keep your AC flying under pressure,now if they tear of your wing,kill your engine,hit you in the torso,head,arms or legs and that causes you to crash,yes they deserve the kill...

If the plink kill is gone,FANTASTIC and about time.

Cheap arse kiddy kills SMBS.

I disagree. I could definitely see the value in some form of "plink timer", say a 60 second grace period between the last time a person hit you for you to hit the ground and award a kill.

Otherwise, if you get shot and die, someone should get credit. Unless you'd prefer everyone who gets shot to just start lawn darting themselves before critical damage is dealt...

Edit: Assuming they don't feel like risking a despawn, of course.

Edited June 15, 2010 by toiletduck

[dkamerad]

I was definitely WTFsploded in this sortie, no killer awarded in game or in CSR. Couldn't have been unfriendly AI, was SW of Vitron, well within allied territory.

[gabriel]

I was definitely WTFsploded in this sortie' date=' no killer awarded in game or in CSR. Couldn't have been unfriendly AI, was SW of Vitron, well within allied territory.[/quote']

yep this is the sortie I was talking about :http://csr.wwiionline.com/scripts/services/persona/sortie.jsp?sid=168174&pid=263119&page=1

Got plinked up by a He 111 then wtfsploded by a 109 and shows mia no killer...

[DOC]

We'll have a look at this and see if there's any reason why kills that used to be recorded aren't being ...

[dkamerad]

We'll have a look at this and see if there's any reason why kills that used to be recorded aren't being ...

Circumstances of my listed sortie..

Head to head with 109, we plink each other. He exploded from the collision.

My engine was ticking so I turned I throttled back, but it sputtered out anyways. As I was gliding down I got sploded by his buddy (least I think it was him), full loss of wings/tail, fire etc. The despawn timer counted down and I got to the deathcam just before hitting the ground.

Don't know how much use that will be, hopefully more than none.

[jaguar12]

theres somethin really screwey about infantry kills as well. since ive started playin BE the kill system has always been a little weird with regards to kills sometimes bein registered and sometimes not.

on my last sortie i clearly shot an ei, he screamed and fell and i moved on. i died a few minutes later when someone else shot me but the kill wasnt registered.

maybe cos i aint played much over the last 6 months it seems much worse now that ive started playin again or maybe somethin is indeed wrong with the kill system.

[samson]

Don't know if it's related but last night I was AA (cmle) and got a couple of kills with absolutely no visual indication that I'd got a hit, was pleasantly surprised that I'd got the kills when I de-spawned.

Could have been just a glitch my end I guess or maybe it's related and I stole someone else's kill?

Edited June 15, 2010 by isamson

[binky]

If I had to take a stab in the dark, I'd guess it's related to the new hulking of planes. Vehicles removed from game before kill recorded? I dunno.

[binky]

My db7 just got wtfsploded by a 109 - no killer in aar or stats.

This may have been a plink-ram. I was beginning a dive when the 109 hit me, I was already nose down and could have rammed him when he passed.

[hastati]

I was awarded a F1 kill without actually shooting at one

Then later on, I exploded a F1 while he appeared completely undamaged, and yet no kill!

[beazil]

Flamed and xploded hawk last night. No kill.

De-tailed hurri right after takeoff from his af last night - watched him spiral in and die. No kill.

There are always those times you could look at a particular situation and say yeah it's reasonable someone else critted that guy before I did. And certainly there were a few more that I might debate, but there is room in the arguement that someone else may have critted them before I did.

In the two cases I observed last night that I highligted here, I cannot come up with anything like that.

I honeslty haven't noticed if I've been killed without a killer - I'm usually too busy cursing like a sailor at that point. But I will try to keep an eye open for it, and post if such is the case. Thanks to Binky for his post. S!

[dkamerad]

Had another sortie, sploded, no killer. Hurri 2b

http://csr.wwiionline.com/scripts/services/persona/sortie.jsp?sid=403967&pid=102457

I did notice that clicking "Okay" on despawn didn't seem to take the first time. Counter timed down to 10, clicked OK, blinked out and then back, clicked OK again then despawned properly.