Matilda bug?

[Bacon55]

http://forums.battlegroundeurope.com/showthread.php?t=339241

Apparently the matty is dying from frontal shots from the PZIIIH.

Pretty sure that shouldn't be happening, even at 0 degrees.

[Tigger6]

75mm of armor that place, according to http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/guns/50-mm.asp

it should be possible to penetrate by the pak38 for sure, and likely spall by the shorter L42 gun as well: http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/guns/50-mm.asp

(note that the figures are for 30 degree angle, not 0)

[Bacon55]

75mm of armor that place' date=' according to [url']http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/guns/50-mm.asp

it should be possible to penetrate by the pak38 for sure, and likely spall by the shorter L42 gun as well: http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/guns/50-mm.asp

(note that the figures are for 30 degree angle, not 0)

It's killing at 250m.

It shouldn't spall from there.

It's bugged.

[DeusWolf]

haha Matty killable ? Onooooes !! Cant stop laughing, sry ! hahahaha !:D

[Tigger6]

It's killing at 250m.

It shouldn't spall from there.

It's bugged.

Where do you have penetration data for the 50mm L/42 from?

[fearny]

Test, take pictures/fraps and email DOC.

[Tigger6]

Spalling happens at 75% penetration now?

[DeusWolf]

Nothing will help, its REAL !

[fundin]

Never really got that close in 3H to try, didn't think it could be killed though. (so if bug needs fixing).

We'll enjoy it whilst it lasts

Edited September 18, 2010 by fundin

[Bacon55]

Where do you have penetration data for the 50mm L/42 from?

Two different sources.

wwiivehicles.com

tarrif.net

Even at 0 degrees it should not spall.

There is no way the 50mm L42 firing pzg39 should be penetrating the front of the Matilda from any range, any angle.

[antagonist]

Historical: Matilda (UK) Pz IIIH (DE) 41249 28970 1,42

Campaign: Matilda (UK) Pz IIIH (DE) 59 34 1,74

Tier0 vs tier1.

Mind you that it's been Axis overpop pretty much whole campaign afaik.

Either the bug is non-existant, insignificant, or people are just unaware..

Doesn't mean that if it's there, it shouldn't be fixed.

Edited September 18, 2010 by antagonist

[drkmouse]

You meen there is a spot like on the tiger and stug g were it can be killed frontaly by low cal guns? Good

[montyuno]

PaNiC ensues!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oooooooo Nooooeeesss....

Regards Monty

[tiger16]

That would be hull, upper correct?

That would be 47mm correct?

Easily penetrated by the 50mm. Unless of course we don't even get the PzGr39 munitions and are stuck with just the plain old PzGr stuff.

Whoops even that will penetrate that 47mm upper hull!!

Ohhhh noes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dahlski]

Whasse matter? Not winning big enough?

Poor you.

But 47mm at 23 degrees angle, would the pz3h be able to penetrate that?

[Bacon55]

That would be hull, upper correct?

That would be 47mm correct?

Easily penetrated by the 50mm. Unless of course we don't even get the PzGr39 munitions and are stuck with just the plain old PzGr stuff.

Whoops even that will penetrate that 47mm upper hull!!

Ohhhh noes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The hull there is not just 47mm, if it was the matty would have been torn to pieces a lot easier.

But the 3h does have pzg39, it was changed some time ago along with Cru II APCR.

Edited September 18, 2010 by Bacon55

[Bacon55]

Historical: Matilda (UK) Pz IIIH (DE) 41249 28970 1,42

Campaign: Matilda (UK) Pz IIIH (DE) 59 34 1,74

Tier0 vs tier1.

Mind you that it's been Axis overpop pretty much whole campaign afaik.

Either the bug is non-existant, insignificant, or people are just unaware..

Doesn't mean that if it's there, it shouldn't be fixed.

Well it seems it was tested pretty thoroughly.

[matt6767]

http://forums.battlegroundeurope.com/showthread.php?t=339241

Apparently the matty is dying from frontal shots from the PZIIIH.

Pretty sure that shouldn't be happening, even at 0 degrees.

[elrod]

How thick do you guys think the armor is on the drivers vision block? I can kill a SOMA with a 232 frontal through the drivers vision block. Note the indicated target area on the Matty. These shots are at extreme close range at a specific spot, a kink in the armor. The frontal armor of a Matty isnt the issue its the armor around the vision block. Dont you ever wonder why 99% modern tanks have a periscope setup for the driver to use when buttoned up. Lessons learned baby

Unless your saying the damage model says the entire front of any vehicle reguardless of where you hit it is the rated armor thickness as indicated by vehicle spec and no allowence is given for hatches, rivets vrs welds and VISION blocks.

[drucius]

Historical: Matilda (UK) Pz IIIH (DE) 41249 28970 1,42

Campaign: Matilda (UK) Pz IIIH (DE) 59 34 1,74

Tier0 vs tier1.

Mind you that it's been Axis overpop pretty much whole campaign afaik.

Either the bug is non-existant, insignificant, or people are just unaware..

Doesn't mean that if it's there, it shouldn't be fixed.

I don't think historical stats are useful, at times the IIIh has done better against the Matty, there were various ways the Matilda was vulnerable until the model was improved and corrected over the years.

[drucius]

Whasse matter? Not winning big enough?

Poor you.

But 47mm at 23 degrees angle, would the pz3h be able to penetrate that?

That's the glacis, not the hull.

[drucius]

How thick do you guys think the armor is on the drivers vision block? I can kill a SOMA with a 232 frontal through the drivers vision block. Note the indicated target area on the Matty. These shots are at extreme close range at a specific spot, a kink in the armor. The frontal armor of a Matty isnt the issue its the armor around the vision block. Dont you ever wonder why 99% modern tanks have a periscope setup for the driver to use when buttoned up. Lessons learned baby

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The drivers guard was vulnerable until it was sorted about three years ago when they recognised that it was about the same thickness as the upper hull.

[antagonist]

I don't think historical stats are useful' date=' at times the IIIh has done better against the Matty, there were various ways the Matilda was vulnerable until the model was improved and corrected over the years.[/quote']

And it stil held 1.5kdr against up-a-tier tank.. not to mention 1.7kdr agaisnt 3h now, when Axis are (again) overpop, and the Matty is apparently broken...

[Bacon55]

How thick do you guys think the armor is on the drivers vision block? I can kill a SOMA with a 232 frontal through the drivers vision block. Note the indicated target area on the Matty. These shots are at extreme close range at a specific spot, a kink in the armor. The frontal armor of a Matty isnt the issue its the armor around the vision block. Dont you ever wonder why 99% modern tanks have a periscope setup for the driver to use when buttoned up. Lessons learned baby

Unless your saying the damage model says the entire front of any vehicle reguardless of where you hit it is the rated armor thickness as indicated by vehicle spec and no allowence is given for hatches, rivets vrs welds and VISION blocks.

The Matilda doesn't have a drivers vision block.

He either pops out the top or uses a periscope, like a modern tank.

Hopping into offline mode and checking out the other side's equipment is usually a good idea...

Edited September 18, 2010 by Bacon55

[Bacon55]

And it stil held 1.5kdr against up-a-tier tank.. not to mention 1.7kdr agaisnt 3h now' date=' when Axis are (again) overpop, and the Matty is apparently broken...[/quote']

The tier isn't relevant, the armour and gun is.

The Stuart is a tier 1 tank, and can easily be one shotted by a stug or IVD at range.

The fact is the 50mm L42 firing Pzgr39 should not penetrate that area of the Matilda. Something is wrong with the model, that is all.