#1863 f4 & g6

[Witzig]

Not sure what you all want. F4 seemed to be almost completely free of flop, so congrats on that. It did seem to want to roll slowly to the left which I constantly had to trim for. I never had that problem before.

The 109G is completely borked still. At around 250 km/h in level flight I did a hard right bank and it did a savage flop on me. I was unable to recover.

The G model needs lots and lots of work, maybe check the F models slow left roll.

[DOC]

I think you might be mistakenly expecting the G6/U4 model 109 to behave in a similar fashion to the F2 and F4 109's ... in fact it is supposed to be noticably harder to handle and much more prone to nasty departure.

I don't think there is any change creating a "slow roll" at least not in the binaries. Perhaps your joystick trim or configuration is a little off. That would exaggerate any departure behaviour built into the flight model, and it's pretty important that anyone testing aircraft to evaluate their performance (and reporting the results of such tests) have a rock solid JS configuration check as a prelude to any testing.

So ... this may not be your issue but it needs to be noted in case it is. Nobody in the closed phase of beta before the pre-release candidate was made ready has reported this; and they are very familar with the incremental progression of the 109 changes as well as being fairly high experience pilots as far as the game is concerned.

I'm inclined to not mess with it again until something truly wrong is found. Just flew it myself again, having done this quite a lot already through beta (constantly in fact) and it's fine as far as I can see. It's more of a demanding handful than the F2 and F4 models but it is supposed to be.

[Witzig]

Yep, DOC skooled me on this. calibration was way off on joystick, and finally remembered how to fly the G6.

S! DOC for all the hard work.

[DOC]

*sees opening for ... nah I'll let it slide*