What is the APHE?

[witmann1]

if it means the AP With explosives,then the shells used by Tiger also have explosives, for example ,pzgr39 have about 60g PETN ,who can tell me ,why the tiger not use the aphe in the game? why the Sherman use the aphe ?

we know it is only Great Britain refuse to use explosives in the shells ,all other countrys use explosives in Armor piercing。

Edited July 1, 2011 by witmann1

[Hinfoos]

armor piercing heavy explosive

[groog]

if it means the AP With explosives,then the shells used by Tiger also have explosives, for example ,pzgr39 have about 60g PETN ,who can tell me ,why the tiger not use the aphe in the game? why the Sherman use the aphe ?

we know it is only Great Britain refuse to use explosives in the shells ,all other countrys use explosives in Armor piercing。

Tiger does use APHE.

3rd person view of explosions of British AP shells is a bug.

[GOPHUR]

I don't think that was what the poster was on about but yes, all third person hits render as HE. There didn't used to be enough state bits to tell other clients what kind of ammo you were firing.

I think I'll find that ticket and review it.

[Tigger6]

armor piercing high explosive

Fixed.

[GOPHUR]

C'mon witman.

We've been making online war simulation games since before there was a world wide web. Do you really think we wouldn't put the correctly modelled rounds in the Tiger tank?

Are you from World of Tanks or something? Are you trolling me?

[Hinfoos]

C'mon witman.

We've been making online war simulation games since before there was a world wide web. Do you really think we wouldn't put the correctly modelled rounds in the Tiger tank?

Are you from World of Tanks or something? Are you trolling me?

HA..

lol..

yes 6months players in WoT are ww2 experts in tanks and such you know they got different guns and ammo and dat ****.

supercool.

[witmann1]

I don't know why GOPHUR is so angry, but i only want to know which is the APHE,as far as I know ,the APHE is only be used on battleship's guns ，the Caliber usually larger than 150 mm.

[AHWULF]

Association of Professional Humane Educators APHE.ORG

[DOC]

incorrect witmann1

APHE is an abbreviation of "Armour Piercing High Explosive" and is an armour piercing round normally fired by an ANTI TANK GUN mounted on either a wheeled chassis or in the turret or chassis of a tank or tank destroyer. Unlike solid shot AP, which is a kinetic penetrator only, APHE is a kinetic penetrator that is fused to explode a small high explosive charge after the round has penetrated the interior of the armoured vehicle that was it's target.

It is normal to find APHE in calibers common to tanks, ATGs and tank destroyers of WWII, such as the 50mm, 75mm and 88mm weapons in WWIIOL:BE for example ... and it could be found in calibers smaller than those although that would be less common an occurance.

Gophur wasn't angry but the inferance we need help to understand our chosen area of expertise might have ticked him off, like me telling my Lamborghini mechanic how to fix the transmission gets him a little peeved if you get my drift.

Not a good idea.

[Skurcey]

it seems only AhWulf dont know

[DOC]

he was making a pun

[witmann1]

incorrect witmann1

APHE is an abbreviation of "Armour Piercing High Explosive" and is an armour piercing round normally fired by an ANTI TANK GUN mounted on either a wheeled chassis or in the turret or chassis of a tank or tank destroyer. Unlike solid shot AP, which is a kinetic penetrator only, APHE is a kinetic penetrator that is fused to explode a small high explosive charge after the round has penetrated the interior of the armoured vehicle that was it's target.

It is normal to find APHE in calibers common to tanks, ATGs and tank destroyers of WWII, such as the 50mm, 75mm and 88mm weapons in WWIIOL:BE for example ... and it could be found in calibers smaller than those although that would be less common an occurance.

Gophur wasn't angry but the inferance we need help to understand our chosen area of expertise might have ticked him off, like me telling my Lamborghini mechanic how to fix the transmission gets him a little peeved if you get my drift.

Not a good idea.

Thanks for you'r answer, I must say sorry to Gophur,

it's shows that my understand about the APHE is not wrong,I don't know why the 88 use the ap in the game ,but not the APHE,may be for the balance.

[DOC]

88's in this game _are_ armed with APHE, as are most of the AT rounds in the game

only a few of British tanks, the QF2pdr ATG, the 47mm tier 1 ATG (French) and the M4a3 Sherman 76 have AP only (not APHE) rounds, the M4a2 Sherman uses APHE because that was the standard AT round for it to use

ALL German ATG's and tanks use APHE, every single one of them

your perceptions of what uses APHE and what doesn't seems to me to be incorrect

[witmann1]

88's in this game _are_ armed with APHE, as are most of the AT rounds in the game

only a few of British tanks, the QF2pdr ATG, the 47mm tier 1 ATG (French) and the M4a3 Sherman 76 have AP only (not APHE) rounds, the M4a2 Sherman uses APHE because that was the standard AT round for it to use

ALL German ATG's and tanks use APHE, every single one of them

your perceptions of what uses APHE and what doesn't seems to me to be incorrect

thanks for your add Introduction about the APHE ,

we know ,in the game ,we can see AP、APHE、HEAT、HE ，but in WW2，

the AP usually is the APCBC which be used by most of the belligerent

,if the game want to Stress which is fused to explode a small high explosive charge and which not ,so the 88's and other's may shows APHE,but now we only can see the APHE on M4A2、M10

Perhaps the problem is expressed。

if the APHE which be used by the M4A2 are similar about the ap used by the tiger's in the game ,they all have a small high explosive charge,

but many players Include me feel that the APHE which be uesd by M4A2 and M10 , it's Lethal range are more larger than the AP be used by the tiger.

most player Reflect that the tiger usually be killd Gunner far than 1500M when it's cover is not be covered，This phenomenon often occurs when the shot when the opponent is the M4A2 or M10,

On the contrary, when we use the 88 or PAK40 attack the Allied heavy tanks In the distance, we only can kill 2 point ,when he is outside

I think this can explain the Lethal range are Huge difference between the APHE which be used by the M4A2、M10 and the AP which be used by the tiger.

[DOC]

what you "feel" and what actually is, are most often not the same thing

The Tiger for example; it's APHE round is not outclassed by the Sherman APHE round in the manner your posts suggest, although you believe the opposite to be true. Belief unfortunately is not fact unless it was based on knowledge.

This is how we end up with "bad" responses between players and us, if players assume they know how the game works and then base beliefs upon those assumptions and make those beliefs public ... we have a problem. We aren't here to argue but it often is construed that way when we post a correction to an incorrect assumption.

The proper way to approach this subject is to learn about how the game works until you know (for a fact not an opinion) as much as we do about how it does what it does, and then you can make claims that aren't based on incorrect conclusions

PS: we know an awful lot about how the game works

PPS: While we use the terms AP and APHE these are generic terms used simply to differentiate between kinetic only AP and kinetic + explosive AP, we do in fact model all the following in the various choices we made for the game:

AP

APC

APCBC

HEAT <- shaped charge penetrator

Since we cannot vary loadouts by choice, and must compile that choice into the model rather than have it be dynamic, we select the ammunition based on what criteria we consider the most important to determine that choice with. This criteria can vary and is not subject to opinion once the criteria have been weighed.

So I guess it boils down to perhaps you think we haven't done something right. I'm not sure what that is exactly you think we did wrong ... and I'm also pretty sure you based that opinion on something that probably isn't even true.

[witmann1]

what you "feel" and what actually is, are most often not the same thing

The Tiger for example; it's APHE round is not outclassed by the Sherman APHE round in the manner your posts suggest, although you believe the opposite to be true. Belief unfortunately is not fact unless it was based on knowledge.

This is how we end up with "bad" responses between players and us, if players assume they know how the game works and then base beliefs upon those assumptions and make those beliefs public ... we have a problem. We aren't here to argue but it often is construed that way when we post a correction to an incorrect assumption.

The proper way to approach this subject is to learn about how the game works until you know (for a fact not an opinion) as much as we do about how it does what it does, and then you can make claims that aren't based on incorrect conclusions

PS: we know an awful lot about how the game works

PPS: While we use the terms AP and APHE these are generic terms used simply to differentiate between kinetic only AP and kinetic + explosive AP, we do in fact model all the following in the various choices we made for the game:

AP

APC

APCBC

HEAT <- shaped charge penetrator

Since we cannot vary loadouts by choice, and must compile that choice into the model rather than have it be dynamic, we select the ammunition based on what criteria we consider the most important to determine that choice with. This criteria can vary and is not subject to opinion once the criteria have been weighed.

So I guess it boils down to perhaps you think we haven't done something right. I'm not sure what that is exactly you think we did wrong ... and I'm also pretty sure you based that opinion on something that probably isn't even true.

Maybe you are right ,I have other question about the game ,

1、many friends in the game says the tiger is too weak,for example，the M4A3 can only Breakdown the tiger's front Armor at 700m ,but in the game the distance more far，it's not based on guess,but it was based on knowledge.I have the penetration table,( source:JENTZ,Thomas L),

2、i think if it is Possible the game can lead into Valentine tank，because it's have the Maximum Production in UK's tank. I also hope the game can have Panzer III L，becaues the H is so weak in Panzer III‘s Improved Model,but the Crusader III and the Churchill VII are Almost the last and The strongest in their all Models.

3、I want to know if the M4A3 is the M4A3E8? the Hull Front is about 63.5mm @ 47° ?

Edited July 22, 2011 by witmann1

[Hinfoos]

DOC would it not make things easier if you gave all tanks APHE in the hud and not AP?

i think "most" actully think its AP and not APHE the german tanks got... jsut saying.

guess it would be better if all got that and not just some.

but maybe it would confuse noobs even more.. since many dont even know the difference between HE and AP

Edited July 22, 2011 by Hinfoos

[hick]

Maybe you are right ,I have other question about the game ,

1、many friends in the game says the tiger is too weak,for example，the M4A3 can only Breakdown the tiger's front Armor at 700m ,but in the game the distance more far，it's not based on guess,but it was based on knowledge.I have the penetration table,( source:JENTZ,Thomas L),

In controlled testing the tiger's frontal armour performed exactly as it is expected to to all British and French projectiles. I would link the post but cannot seem to find it atm (I hate vbulletin's search function, and it's doubly frustrating because it took me 6 hours to test it all).

[narg]

if it means the AP With explosives,then the shells used by Tiger also have explosives, for example ,pzgr39 have about 60g PETN ,who can tell me ,why the tiger not use the aphe in the game? why the Sherman use the aphe ?

we know it is only Great Britain refuse to use explosives in the shells ,all other countrys use explosives in Armor piercing。

Armour Piercing High Explosive. Has a larger explosive charge in it.

In World War 2, it was found that Armour Piercing rounds may penetrate armoured vehicles, yet little to no damage was being caused by the round and it wasn't knocking tanks out of action as they wanted.

The answer was APHE.

[witmann1]

And the tiger's gun is too easy to be damaged:)

[hick]

And the tiger's gun is too easy to be damaged:)

Ok, just a note, put a bit of time in this game before saying it's broke.

As this isn't really a bug report or test, I'm moving the thread to the motor pool where it belongs.

[Fredrik1]

Moving this back to Testing and bug reporting only because Witman is a trial player and can't read the premium forums.

To the OP, instead of relying on what others tell you I implore of you to test your statements first before making posts in here. The APHE is as said modelled, the Tigers armour is just fine and has been tested by many before you. Also the Tiger is one of the tanks in game which gun can take the most damage.

Stop listening to people whining in the game and instead find facts.

Edited July 23, 2011 by Fredrik1

[witmann1]

In controlled testing the tiger's frontal armour performed exactly as it is expected to to all British and French projectiles. I would link the post but cannot seem to find it atm (I hate vbulletin's search function' date=' and it's doubly frustrating because it took me 6 hours to test it all).[/quote']

Today ,I make a testing about the M4A3 and the tiger with my friend,I USE the M4A3 Breakdown the tiger's front Armor at about 850m（I can see a hole on the tiger's front Armor,not near the Machine guns and Observe hole ）,kill the 2 position and Damage the engine ，so I believe that the breakdown distance will further.

[witmann1]

Moving this back to Testing and bug reporting only because Witman is a trial player and can't read the premium forums.

To the OP, instead of relying on what others tell you I implore of you to test your statements first before making posts in here. The APHE is as said modelled, the Tigers armour is just fine and has been tested by many before you. Also the Tiger is one of the tanks in game which gun can take the most damage.

Stop listening to people whining in the game and instead find facts.

1、yes, you are right , I am a trial player so i can't read the premium forums

2、but which i said is not only based on others tell me ,i play this game about 2 years ,i like tanks,and most of time i use the tank to fighting， I am also a Military amateur,I have a lots of material about the tank in WW2,and I also make a lots of testing about the tank which in the game.

3、all i said is not means that the model in the game is incorrect,but i think the Different standard bring different results ，For example，i have some material about the tiger and the M4A3:

first,there have not material shows that the M4A3 can Breakdown the tiger's front Armor far than 300m in Actual combat

The second,Aberdeen tank test field shows the M4A3 only can Breakdown the tiger's front Armor about 700m,

The third，in the game ,the M4A3 can Breakdown the tiger's front Armor far than 850m,

so maybe all the guns in the game are be strengthened，

For example （the hypothesis is based on historical data ）：in Actual combat the M4A3 can Breakdown the tiger's front Armor at 300m ,in the game the M4A3 can Breakdown the tiger's front Armor at 900m ;in Actual combat the tiger can Breakdown the M4A3's front Armor at 1200m ,in the game the tiger can Breakdown the M4A3's front Armor at 1800m ,and we know when the distance is too far,the allied tanks is hard to be find when it is in the bush.

so when the A can kill B in 300m,but the B can kill A in 700m ；C can kill D in 1300m,but the D can kill C in 1700m ,then we can see Distinct K / D ratio。

So we can see another picture in the game,which is different from the actual combat :when two M4A3 and a tiger found each other at 900m,they will stop and shooting each other ，And then the tiger is destroyed ，

I think every Sherman tank of the members will think this is very crazy，

it is suicide,but in the game you can try to do it .

Edited July 23, 2011 by witmann1