survivability of armored cars against small arms fire?

[panhead]

I have a question about that, and it is an honest unbiased question. I have noticed that both the panhard and the 232 are easily killed with small arms fire, mg's and even rifles. I was wondering if that reflects the reality of the day? I did an internet search on the subject and came up with very little. Shouldn't the (armored) cars be able to survive significant small arms fire?

[pgpaltzo]

depends how you define significant but not really

I mean I've never had much sucess in plinking one with a rifle but that could just be me being a crap shot.

If you want to kill one then you need to go for certain slots, like commander's post and a few others and you need to thread your round through the optics slits

[Hinfoos]

yes it works.. its because the bullets are not made of copper but they are made as pure AP shots.

thats why they can kill AC's...

sux, yea.

[Hinfoos]

depends how you define significant but not really

I mean I've never had much sucess in plinking one with a rifle but that could just be me being a crap shot.

If you want to kill one then you need to go for certain slots, like commander's post and a few others and you need to thread your round through the optics slits

must go upclose and fire are certain spots.. not only at driver slits

[panhead]

I know it happens all the time in game, for instance, you can kill pan if you stand if front and shoot in driver slit with rifle, and 232's get killed in much the same way, in game. Was just wondering if that was really true to life.

[Hinfoos]

I know it happens all the time in game' date=' for instance, you can kill pan if you stand if front and shoot in driver slit with rifle, and 232's get killed in much the same way, in game. Was just wondering if that was really true to life.[/quote']

not really.. since pretty much all vehicles and plenty of infantry cover so it would probably difficult to to run up INFRONT of a vehicle without getting killed in "real life"

but since not even tigers ingame got infantry cover OR tanks on the flanks even the smallest tanks can flank around easy and get kills that was near impossible IRL.

[imded]

I have posted on this a few times too.

The vehicle is designed to be small arms resistant.

In game that is not the case. It is easily killed by small arms.

MY belief is that it should be beefed up on the armour model against small arms.

Needs to be more secure against small arms.

A guy with a rifle and regular ammo should not be able to take out a AC.

[Hinfoos]

I have posted on this a few times too.

The vehicle is designed to be small arms resistant.

In game that is not the case. It is easily killed by small arms.

MY belief is that it should be beefed up on the armour model against small arms.

Needs to be more secure against small arms.

A guy with a rifle and regular ammo should not be able to take out a AC.

beefing up the armor wil disrupt other parts.. like h39's etc at longer ranges.

like the max range wil get shorter when using weenie guns against it.

[GOPHUR]

Did it happen in real life? No, probably not often. The German SMG 9mm round can't really penetrate the 12-15mm of RHA armor on that thing (we convert all armor thickness to RHA).

I just fired every round from a German SMG point blank at the Panhard while strafing around it. Not a single damage. But I wasn't shooting a sniper shot through the drivers slit either. That glass BTW is 6mm RHA equivalent while the hatch itself is 14mm.