Dispersion

[chiapet]

I dont get it. both the MP40 and luger have horrendous dispersion.

I was in offline mode and tested the luger at 20 meters or whatever distance it is to the first set of targets.

Aim dead center, 1/3 of my shots dont land in the circle, another third are everywhere out side the black and the last third are somewhere in the black.

Same with the MP40.

Im in a fight, i got my mp40 at eyelever and im moving(slow aimspeed animation) im trying to hit a dude literally 10 feet away, and im watching as rounds literally hit 10 feet above and to the right of him...WTF???? he was right up against wall and the rounds, i kid you not, hit everywhere, and i mean EVERYWHERE but him!

Im 3-4 meters away for god sakes!!!

[matt6767]

Have you tried short burst?

I don't know about you but I always hit the target with my mp40 on full auto from 4 meters...

[vonbreur]

I coulda swore there was a post (months if not years ago) about the MP-40 consistently shooting up and to the right even at close ranges...

[romzburg]

We need to collect some money and send the CRS coders responsible for this stuff to the Oklahoma full auto shootout.

The modeling of the weapons on full auto is just not even close.

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motormouth:

Much as Romzy's posting style can give me headaches (and the fact that he's "NEVAR WRONG!!"), that post pretty much nails it on the head.

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Ya know, at first Romsburg, you rubbed me the wrong way and I wasn't a fan. But over the past 12 months, you have really grown on me. You're precise, well spoken and although you are sometimes a little harsh, you are most often correct and in proper context with your responses.

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indeed he's one of the few voices of common sense on these forums

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If you're going to argue with Romz, do your homework before you post. He gets it, and you can't teach common sense, you have to be born with it.

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I can't say [any]thing else [than] that the ban was justified considering that you have an 'impressive' TOS history....

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The only thing worse than being talked about is *not* being talked about.

[cavalier]

I see you have never fired a pistol or SMG in real life before.

Pistols and SMGs have relatively light weight, short barrels and reasonable recoil. Pistols also have a shor distance bewteen the rear and foresights plus to be honest a relatively unstable firing platform (ie held in your hand with your arm extended).

These weapons were no where near as accurate as a rifle.

I would say all WWII era SMGs "pulled" when firing pull automatic and did not fire tight groups. I remember training and firing a 1950's era 9mm SMG when I first joined the Army and it always pulled high and to the left. The pull was such that at full automatic it was only effective at very close ranges.

Very few people in game miss with any regularity at 3-4m although it does happen as I am sure it did in real life under combat situations. Personally cannot see an issue here.

Edited August 6, 2011 by Cavalier

[sircuddles]

I dont get it. both the MP40 and luger have horrendous dispersion.

I was in offline mode and tested the luger at 20 meters or whatever distance it is to the first set of targets.

Aim dead center, 1/3 of my shots dont land in the circle, another third are everywhere out side the black and the last third are somewhere in the black.

Same with the MP40.

Im in a fight, i got my mp40 at eyelever and im moving(slow aimspeed animation) im trying to hit a dude literally 10 feet away, and im watching as rounds literally hit 10 feet above and to the right of him...WTF???? he was right up against wall and the rounds, i kid you not, hit everywhere, and i mean EVERYWHERE but him!

Im 3-4 meters away for god sakes!!!

Was this at DUN West side, South on a hill? I was strafing this axis lmg/smger like a pro trying to hit him with my rifle. May of been you?

[retterkl]

I think 'have you tried with the recoil on the thompson or mas36' would suffice as an answer here.

[optik]

noticed this awhile ago the mp has horrid dispersion and it does repeat pattern every 2-3 mags no matter how you aim your round is going some place else, even if you shoot single rounds bursts or full the dispersion is the saem, the french smg holds waaay better grouping, and thompson also waaay better than mp, easy to hit omething with allied smgs from 50-100m+ but thats balance for you.

[Voodoo1]

MP40 is better than french smg..

My case is rested

[smythes]

What the hell?

Suddenly people are finding issues with 88's, now the SMG?

What happened?

Personally I think its "American" envy stirring these feelings....feelings of inadequacy..you know?

[optik]

What the hell?

Suddenly people are finding issues with 88's, now the SMG?

What happened?

Personally I think its "American" envy stirring these feelings....feelings of inadequacy..you know?

these are not "New" problems certainly not the first time they have been mentioned, also likly to see more problems creep up because its obvious that they have time to do stuff so people will lobby to get things fixed as with everything else.

[Tigger6]

these are not "New" problems certainly not the first time they have been mentioned' date=' also likly to see more problems creep up because its obvious that they have time to do stuff so people will lobby to get things fixed as with everything else.[/quote']

Not new? the axis SMG has been the most accurate SMG *by far* the last time I tested it. They've all been tweaked recently, so I don't know how they stand now. But for years, the axis SMG has been a full auto rifle almost.

[optik]

Not new? the axis SMG has been the most accurate SMG *by far* the last time I tested it. They've all been tweaked recently' date=' so I don't know how they stand now. But for years, the axis SMG has been a full auto rifle almost.[/quote']

ya full auto rifle sure.

[smythes]

You posted another b!tchy post.

I smell a pattern - whats really upsetting you at the moment?

Or are you just enjoying playing "Forum Skirmish Online?"

[Tigger6]

ya full auto rifle sure.

It was way more accurate than either of the allied SMGs. If you deny that you either never tried them or are a loon.

[ironfist]

I dont care the situation 3-4 meters you aint going to miss your target with any gun your strong enough to pick up in real life

This game aint real life ...but since this is a first person shooter id like to think that a Smg or a pistol round would go where ya aimed and squeezed the trigger @ ranges that were capable for that weapon

Dispersion should not factor in till you go outside those boundries if at all (this is a FPS after all) modeling dispersion in my opinion has no place in a first person shooter (and some may disagree)

Dispersion is overrepresented ...but its no surprise here as I think it to cover sloppy code (see atg/aa/tank commander/boat crew/pilot damage model)

[Tigger6]

Btw, went to offline and shot a full auto clip of mp40 at the target at 20m, while strafing. 30 round out of 32 hit the target, majority of them being in the black circles. That sounds pretty good to me. Possibly better than what you would get while walking sideways.

For weapon accuracy, it seems that thompson is on par with the MP40, MP40 having an advantage at range due to better gunsight. French SMG is decidedly worse, have trouble hitting a 100m target with it more than 50%, while with MP40 I can hit on average about 8/10 in circles and with thompson about 7/10.

[company0]

Btw, went to offline and shot a full auto clip of mp40 at the target at 20m, while strafing. 30 round out of 32 hit the target, majority of them being in the black circles. That sounds pretty good to me. Possibly better than what you would get while walking sideways.

For weapon accuracy, it seems that thompson is on par with the MP40, MP40 having an advantage at range due to better gunsight. French SMG is decidedly worse, have trouble hitting a 100m target with it more than 50%, while with MP40 I can hit on average about 8/10 in circles and with thompson about 7/10.

Odd thing is, I've had it where it hasn't done that, in a crouch and strafing left and right. And then the next day it would. MADNESS!

[Tigger6]

Odd thing is' date=' I've had it where it hasn't done that, in a crouch and strafing left and right. And then the next day it would. MADNESS![/quote']

I was aiming though. Are you saying about shooting from the hip or shooting with the gun up?

What is slightly funny is that sometimes a round will just go completely off. This happens to all weapons with different probability it seems. For instance, I can place all rounds from a sniper rifle within 10cm of each other at 200m, but then one round will fly completely off and barely hit the target.

[company0]

I was aiming though. Are you saying about shooting from the hip or shooting with the gun up?

What is slightly funny is that sometimes a round will just go completely off. This happens to all weapons with different probability it seems. For instance, I can place all rounds from a sniper rifle within 10cm of each other at 200m, but then one round will fly completely off and barely hit the target.

Aimed. And this is multiple rounds. Firing from the hip I don't even test anymore, because the shots have gone almost perpendicular to my walking path at times. Think shooting forward from the hip and seeing the shot land 45 degrees to your right in the ground, just barely on the edge of your sight.

[bronco69]

dispersion of lots of axis equipment has increased ALOT!!

88 used to be very accurate at high distance. now its very crap. even at 1k you tend to miss ETs very often although you aim center of them

2.2k is the range i can see my 88 bullets hit something .. then the round disappear. no idea if if i hit my target ... miss or whatever

impossible to shoot an ET inside a forest edge with it. because then the "trees" fade out and they hide behind big pixel trees. when you get closer suddenly the big pixel tree disappear... and you can see clear tree logs again. funny thing is he can look at you fine ... but you cant see him correctly because of that visual range stuff...

all this crap started with 1.31

III H was a very accurate tank too ... now it has a crap dispersion

so many subjective and objective feeled "downgrades" in equipment for axis (not intended ofc). and i played alot before 1.31

[monsjoex]

I have to say i had the same thing with the M10, dispersion seemed increased.

Also 1.31 had problems with slower rounds in the beta, i would think this is worth checking.

[solar]

noticed this awhile ago the mp has horrid dispersion and it does repeat pattern every 2-3 mags no matter how you aim your round is going some place else' date=' even if you shoot single rounds bursts or full the dispersion is the saem, the french smg holds waaay better grouping, and thompson also waaay better than mp, easy to hit omething with allied smgs from 50-100m+ but thats balance for you.[/quote']

All SMGs are horrible but Axis is by far the best

[chiapet]

the reason for me bringing up the smg is because i get bored being home all day and ive been using it more often.

i can go to the range too and get some decent shots, but in game it seems way different, especially when im aiming at another player.

its just wierd.

[Sudden]

Have to agree to both sides of the argument on the MP40.

I can pick off ei at long range with single shots almost like a rifle.

This campaign, I stood behind an ei atr firing ~6 short bursts at him from 10ft distance; he had the time to put his atr away, pick up his pistol, turn around, and kill me with one shot vs. my ~18 rounds pointed directly at his back and still firing more as he turned to shoot me??? Dispersion??