no more .nowho for HC

[ratatosk]

Tonight, I was astounded to learn that there is a .nowho command, let alone that HC is permitted to use it. If I do .hc, I would expect to see everyone who is on, period.

The context is I asked who was MOIC, was told, did .who and got 'player not available', did .hc and he didn't show. Asking around I learned of .nowho.

That does not work for me, if you are going to be in HC, you need to be visible. So RATS either block it for HC if you can or make the use of .nowho forbidden as a condition of being in HC.

[GOPHUR]

I think this speaks to a much deeper matter.

I can understand your feeling of entitlement to address the HC. But I can easily counter that the job is hard enough already. If you want to be entitled to talk to the MapOIC then join the HC. It's not like it is hard to get in and they can certainly use the help of players who have an interest which, if you are wanting to talk to the MOIC then you obviously have that interest.

The deeper issue for me is why do we need to have a MapOIC when that only seems to create stress for the HC when they should be focusing of helping players have fun and win instead of managing proposals and creates a point of contention for players who choose not to participate to point the blame. Kinda a damned if you do damned if you don't sort of thing. Any way that's OT sorry.

I'll ask the CM team to look at it but honestly I don't think it's fair to make the MapOIC who is already donating his time and generally taking a lot more abuse than he gets praise to be beholden to every player that wants to .who him.

Why did you want to .who? That might provide some insight that I can use to evaluate the issue. What does a .who give you that you need and can;t get someplace else?

[ratatosk]

The point was not to .who anyone, the gripe is that when .nowho is invoked, an HC member will not show up when .hc is run. At the very least, that is needlessly confusing since you can't assume that the list is accurate and serves no useful purpose that I can think of.

As for the larger issue of whether there should even be a moic, seems to me that the role evolved to meet a need for somebody to be available and accountable for flag moves at all times. I happen to believe that most flag movement should be automated, perhaps within some very broad strategic parameters defined by HC on a daily basis, but am not sure if the existing AI engine could be coaxed into something like that.

[GOPHUR]

I agree on both point though I think movement would be better served by allowing more players the ability to participate in proposing and approving moves. Caqll it voting if you will but that's not exactly what I mean. I'd like to free up the HC to be leaders and teachers and not solely strategists.

[shdwnoob]

*some* players (add grains of salt here) use the .who command to locate High Command and thereby determine who/what/where is brewing with that High Commander and or with the HC that really matter once they can see who is on.

Due to *fears* of spying or *fears* of actions above being used for nefarious purposes; many HC simply turn this 'feature' off and avoid giving anything away...in case anyone would ever be doing anything that would allow a *claim* to be made that some information was gleaned.

Above is the nice way to say: Its currently considered good practice for the HC who leads from the front to do this.

[ratatosk]

That's fine- again, I don't care about .who, it's the dependency that .hc apparently has on it which is broken by .nowho that I see as a problem. There is no point in having an .hc command if HC members are hidden from it.

But I really wonder about how prevalent the use of spyz0rs is on either side? I assume that with the convenience of trial accounts, it is a bigger problem than in the past, but have generally believed that most episodes of "spying" are actually just instances in which the victim did not understand how exposed he was or sometimes just bad luck.

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that spyz0rs are like UFOs- 95% of the time, there is some rational explanation that people prefer to ignore.

[gasPipe]

I look at this as a problem of who is willing to take responsibility all the time they play the game.

Some officers want to play with their sqd on squad nights.

Some just may want to blast things....kill stuff...had a bad day at work what ever.

I was in the HC and worked very hard to get officers to understand the roll they play. It was not a popular stance in any way shape or form.

But we did get the RO out of all that work and it has stuck for the most part.

You should join the HC and see for your self the issues that come up with a group that is there to have fun and try to help others have fun.

S!

[vonbreur]

HHahahahhaahaa... love their response... "Don't like it... join the HC".

/NoThanks

[monsjoex]

I think TS was just dealing with a MOIC who had a CTD and wasn't ingame at all.

Or the MOIC position didn't get updated and noone was moic.