NO us mortarman?

[Khsolo]

I wonder cause it wasnt in the spanwlists

[GOPHUR]

No. He only would have the 60mm and there is no German equivalent.

[actrade]

No. He only would have the 60mm and there is no German equivalent.

Serious question Gophur. If the two choices offered were a) immediately put Americans into campaign without historically modeled mortar, 2 1/2 ton truck, etc. using brit/french equivalent or wait another year while those items are modeled, don't you think the overwhelming majority of the player base would opt for A? Most players realize you guys are short on coders/modelers and would accept these historical inaccuracies for a period of time.

[GOPHUR]

I don't think that's the right question. (not everyone here agrees with me).

I don't think the best place for the Americans is in the BoF campaign game. I'd prefer to use theem in an alternate campaign where us vs de could be played out with even matched unit sets and new victory conditions.

Trying to shoe horn them into BoF with the imbalances in the weapons sets isn't appealing to me. Sure the knee jerk players who can't see the forest for the trees will clamber over this but I can see nothing but trouble from doing so.

Can you imagine everyone wanting to play Americans so half of the front is wide open (cry for more american brigades!) but those brifgades are missing most of the units that the enemy has (cry for more vehicles and weapons!)? That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

Personally I think that if they are ever going to go into the campaign then they =have to have a comparable vehicle set, and the French have to loose or it has to get very late in the campaign.

Again, I don't expect everyone to agree with me, not even here, but that's my opinion.

[actrade]

I don't think that's the right question. (not everyone here agrees with me).

I don't think the best place for the Americans is in the BoF campaign game. I'd prefer to use theem in an alternate campaign where us vs de could be played out with even matched unit sets and new victory conditions.

Trying to shoe horn them into BoF with the imbalances in the weapons sets isn't appealing to me. Sure the knee jerk players who can't see the forest for the trees will clamber over this but I can see nothing but trouble from doing so.

Can you imagine everyone wanting to play Americans so half of the front is wide open (cry for more american brigades!) but those brifgades are missing most of the units that the enemy has (cry for more vehicles and weapons!)? That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

Personally I think that if they are ever going to go into the campaign then they =have to have a comparable vehicle set, and the French have to loose or it has to get very late in the campaign.

Again, I don't expect everyone to agree with me, not even here, but that's my opinion.

Good points. However, to increase the popularity of the game, consider this: why not just replace the French with the Americans? Historically speaking, the French weren't even in the war very long and while I don't play allied often, it would seem playing the French are the least popular choice. We could certainly have a SMALL contingent of Free French. As far as comparable equipment, the important Armor units the French use are already American.

Ideally, you're right about a new campaign US/Brit vs. DE, but we gotta get to the finish line and keep players to get to that day. It appears everyone is enjoying the American addition to the game so why not keep total unit numbers the same, but kick out some French and add Americans on the allied side? I really don't think the average player is going to mind if the Americans have to "borrow" some French equipment until theirs is properly modeled. S!

Edited November 15, 2011 by actrade

[GOPHUR]

"why not just replace the French with the Americans?"

There isn't enough equipment.

No guns. No mustang. No mortar....

Also completely new starting position and we have no Higgins boat.

[actrade]

"why not just replace the French with the Americans?"

There isn't enough equipment.

No guns. No mustang. No mortar....

Also completely new starting position and we have no Higgins boat.

The biyatch about forums is intent doesn't always translate well. What I meant to say is that use what you have now for the French equipment to compensate for what you don't have now for the Americans. Is it historically accurate? Heck no! Would the player base like having American infantry and what equipment you currently DO have in game? Heck yeah! After all, the French are "borrowing" some U.S. equipment now and to be honest, it would be more historically accurate to have predominantly U.S/Brits vs. DE than adding the French anyway, at least after June 1940. Other than a completely new campaign set up, again, operating under CURRENT coding/modeling restrictions, is it possible to have the French be nearly COMPLETELY replaced with American units after say...tier 1? This would simulate the French surrender (ok, you can leave a division French to represent the Free French) and simulate the American's arrival, sans Higgins boats.

I guess my question is this: is the only thing holding the American's entry into the war in say, tier 2, a massive coding issue needed to "switch" from French to American divisions on the map or does it have to do with the obvious historical inaccuracies that would be caused by the Americans using some French equipment. I sincerely hope its not the latter as to be quite honest, I fear a HUGE blow back against CRS once the average schmo realizes that we'll only see the Americans in special, mini-campaigns for some time until they can be incorporated into the regular campaign. (BTW, I believe that MANY returning players are unaware that the American entry is just for special occasions at this point). The player base is going to HATE it when they lose their BAR's. If it were so easy that it simply required a server downtime so you guys could manually switch to predominantly Americans at tier 2 rather than coding it in, I would hope that would be the solution you sided with until a complete arsenal of American toys can be modeled.

Edited November 16, 2011 by actrade

[bigrow]

Well put actrade. I think the time has come when simply getting these new toys into the campaign is more important than historical accuracy, for now at least.

I know i could live without them, but what i'm not happy with is living with the frankly awful numbers we have had ingame these past months and i would not like to see the returning players all clear off when most of the other changes are under the hood.

[delems]

I'm completely for getting some American units into the game also. I don't care if it is simply 1 para division. Imo, they need to get in, I'll gladly put up with missing equipment or French substitutions.

[dotsie]

If the game allows the US to sell units to FR. Why cant FR sell mortars to the US? Its not a fu*king documentary.

[GOPHUR]

"Its not a fu*king documentary."

I like that.