Navy infantry numbers and Infantry flag Armor numbers off?

[delems]

Armor numbers,

INF flags:

brit: 53

fren: 26

axis: 19

 

ARM flags:

brit: 62

fren: 36

axis: 57

 

TOTALS:

brit: 168

fren: 88

axis: 114

 

How does a brit inf flag get 53 tanks?

 

Edited May 16, 2018 by delems
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[delems]

Navy non HQ flags,

Rifles:

axis 80

brit 75

fren 75

 

SMG:

axis 30

brit 55

fren 60

 

LMG:

axis 20

brit 25

fren 25

 

Axis has 5 more rifles, but allies have 25/30 more SMGs and 5 more LMGs?

This seems off.

 

Edited May 16, 2018 by delems

[Merlin51]

Dunno, i think ohm was having some issues with that stuff and was working on beating things into submission
there was a bug thread about numbers and i think he was making all new data sheets or something?

[Blkhwk8]

@OHM

[Merlin51]

Seems buggish @delems so put them here together
so @OHM can see the whole thing at once.

[kazee]

edit: didnt know over stock was still available

Edited May 16, 2018 by kazee
edit: didnt know over stock was still available

[kazee]

edit: didnt know over stock was still available

Edited May 16, 2018 by kazee

[delems]

This been fixed?  Having 22 more tanks per infantry flag is odd?

53 to 31?

Even if they all vikys, then we need more IICs.

What happens when the first 31 tanks trade?   Then axis faces 22 tanks unopposed.

 

Edited May 20, 2018 by delems

[delems]

Ok, brit HQ gets 9 matties?  How much smoke do they need?  They have 34 tanks in their HQ.

Axis has 2 tanks that have smoke in HQ?  And only 19 tanks.

Again, what is up with these numbers?  I can understand a side having a few more, but not double more.

What am I missing here, please explain the supply numbers.

 

[gretnine]

Both sides have supply issues which need to get fixed. Its nothing new at his point. 

[Merlin51]

6 hours ago, delems said:

Ok, brit HQ gets 9 matties?  How much smoke do they need?  They have 34 tanks in their HQ.

Axis has 2 tanks that have smoke in HQ?  And only 19 tanks.

Again, what is up with these numbers?  I can understand a side having a few more, but not double more.

What am I missing here, please explain the supply numbers.

 

I think @OHM is working on re-organizing the entire thing from the bottom up for all lists and making new data sets for them
may also require some special alchemy to slide them in mid camp without implosion, not sure there.

That said, CS matties may seem a bit off in numbers as compared to axis units
being that those only fire smoke and HE and cant engage armor, where with axis you combine the functions

19 / 34 does seem a bit off though, but funny if all 15 were CS
Smoke party lol

[OHM]

10 hours ago, delems said:

Ok, brit HQ gets 9 matties?  How much smoke do they need?  They have 34 tanks in their HQ.

Axis has 2 tanks that have smoke in HQ?  And only 19 tanks.

Again, what is up with these numbers?  I can understand a side having a few more, but not double more.

What am I missing here, please explain the supply numbers.

 

Can you point to exactly to where you are seeing these?   HQ, Armor, Inf.  ? Is it just navy ?      

[OLDZEKE]

10 hours ago, delems said:

Ok, brit HQ gets 9 matties?  How much smoke do they need?  They have 34 tanks in their HQ.

Axis has 2 tanks that have smoke in HQ?  And only 19 tanks.

Again, what is up with these numbers?  I can understand a side having a few more, but not double more.

What am I missing here, please explain the supply numbers.

 

Axis get smoke, ap, heat and he in their "smoke" tanks. Allies get smoke and HE, no ap in their CS tanks.

[major0noob]

subtract the vick / 2c / 232 / r35 and it'll make a lot more sense

then calculate the K/D of the A13+Mattie vs 4D/3B/3F/38T

[delems]

It's the brit army divisions HQ.

Why do they need 9 matties in HQ?  We get 1 IVD and 1 IIIB.

And 34 to 19 just seems to far off.

I know sides won't be equal, but 15 is a lot more tanks, not just a few more, nearly double.

 

[major0noob]

 a while ago the motor pool did some measuring:

subtract the tanks that cannot kill tanks

class the panny as a 4D/S35 or 3B equivalent (based on its K/D performance)

Balance the 4D/3B vs S35/B1

 

Finally, with a limit of 2 matties per flag(cause 3 flags attacking used to get 9-12) add as many A13's as their performance suggests

(ie: 1 4D/3B = 1.8 A13, 3F/38T = A13) the end result is 30ish A13's + 2 matties.

 

The 8 pannies really screw the math up in total tanks for the other 2 nations, as do the beginner rank armour.

In the end, there's way too much inf-killing power for each nation.

 

 

Just regurgitating what the handful of us talked about in the motor pool.

 

Edit: we didn't talk about HQ, air, or navy, since they're 99% defensive.

Edited May 22, 2018 by major0noob

[delems]

Army HQs in my mind should have 2-4 of every tank/armored car available for their nation.

Reason is simple, they are last ditch defense, and having each type promotes/aides in overstocking/resupply.

So axis army HQ (tier 0) might get 4x232, 4xIIC, 4x38t, 4xIIIF, 2xIVD and 2xIIIB.  Tier 1 would add 2xIIIH.

With a bit more of the lower tiered stuff I think, or something like that anyways.

Haven't really fully thought out tank supply as I so rarely tank. (other than there is just way to many tanks on map)

 

Edited May 22, 2018 by delems

[delems]

Ok, tier 2 and still confused.  How come brits get so many more tanks than french or german?  33 more tanks in armor flag?  What is up with that?

 

HQ: B 36, F 20, G 23  -why brits so many more?

INF: B 64, F 33, G 37 -again, why brits almost 30 more tanks?

ARM: B 88, F 51, G 55  -brits have 33 more tanks!  That is way over a company?

 

The brits seem to have nearly double the tanks of french or german, how is that explained?

 

[delems]

Ok - what is going on here?  Every brit flag is grossly over supplied with tanks?  How come?
 

Brit navy has 15 tanks???  While german and french get 5?

 

Why do the british get twice as many tanks in every flag as the other nations?
 

[Merlin51]

Because...

England

[major0noob]

the A13's and vick's don't bring a lot to their flags...

[delems]

*** the A13's and vick's don't bring a lot to their flags...

And neither do IIC/IIIF?  Hence, all axis flags should get 33 extra IIC/IIIF?  Or does it just work one way, the extra supply don't matter as long as allies have it?

I know numbers probably won't end up even, but brits having double the supply nearly in every flag is just too much imo.

Something seems way off, and if not, I'd like an explanation to how the current numbers are 'parity'.

 

[major0noob]

45 minutes ago, delems said:

And neither do IIC/IIIF?  Hence, all axis flags should get 33 extra IIC/IIIF?  Or does it just work one way, the extra supply don't matter as long as allies have it?

yes, they don't matter... the vast majority of players only use the 4D/matty/S35 when they're at the top, same with the stu/3h, the sherm/4g and the tiger/s76.

 

the A13 needs to be balanced vs the axis's combined 3f/38t/4d/3b, with a 2 matty limit in mind.

the axis needs extra low rank stuff for the french panny, and a 4d/3b supply to match the char/s35

 

in the end everything revolves around the char/s35 vs 4d/3b, if those 2 supply groups were lowered to say max:4 and the panny supply was reduced from 8 to 2 then all tank supply could be cut in half pretty safely.

 

 

i for one am sick of the massive supply and near unlimited inf killing power, combined with flags rotating and 8 hour resupply timers our performance in game doesn't mean a damn thing.

the last time i was in a column we destroyed a flag but the town was back to normal in the morning. all our efforts were pointless.

[delems]

Yep, agree, way way way to much supply on map.

I'd cut supply of everything with a motor in half.

As for RDP - is currently 15 hours, not 8.

But, as you can see, it don't matter - still too much supply.

(lol, a brit infantry division currently has 3 battalions of tanks in it.... not companies... battalions)
 

Edited May 29, 2018 by delems

[stankyus]

On ‎5‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 8:00 PM, delems said:

Navy non HQ flags,

Rifles:

axis 80

brit 75

fren 75

 

SMG:

axis 30

brit 55

fren 60

 

LMG:

axis 20

brit 25

fren 25

 

Axis has 5 more rifles, but allies have 25/30 more SMGs and 5 more LMGs?

This seems off.

 

All the SMGs are basically equal, all the riffles are basically equal, the MG34 is a much better weapon.

That being said I never have thought that the riffle numbers or smg numbers to ever have different numbers.  The LMGs.. yah there is grounds for having more allied LMGs than Axis.. 5 less MG34s I think is about right using those numbers.  So I donno why the discrepancy if what you are saying is accurate.