inefective 20 mm rounds in German planes

[makoshark]

I cant believe this topic is not in here.  Today I flew the 190 and g6 in game and it took 1/2 my amo to drop a db7 and just as much to drop a spit 9.  Then in the g6 same result on a db7.   It was a light show at best.   What happened, and when ?   I flew the Dewo in training and it was just fine.  Was there a he audit again ?  Did Someone misplace some code somewhere ?  I've seen similar issues in the past, especially with the whole mine round experiment, but this is pretty bad.  Is it like this with the Hispano in game?

[sajuk]

Its not a bug its a feature 

 

[Scking]

Its in @HATCH‘s hands at the moment taking a look at it.

[delems]

Might not be the HE, the plane damage models are not accurate.

 

[Ltarflak]

I agree with delems on this one, the plane models are f**ked up, it takes 5+ 40mm bofors rounds to kill a DB-7/Havoc..thats insane 

[pbveteran]

Using the german 20mm AA I had been hitting EA with it and even shots below on the aircraft belly were doing no damage talking about hurris and spits. I must have hit 20 rounds on various of these fighters only one went down.

Edited August 25, 2018 by pbveteran

[vanapo]

Damage models are bugged and the recent work on the KE/HE performance messed things up even more in this regard. What I have noticed so far (not scientifically proven but noticed by a lot of other players):

1. 15mm AP cannon on the 109F2 is more effective now than the 20mm HE of a 109F4 - it should and used to be the other way around. Tells you a story about how ineffective HE rounds have become.

2. Wing mounted 2xHMG on the 109G6 is more effective than 2x20mm HE on the 109E4. The melon launcher still kills with a few hits (1 should be sufficient on a fighter) - but I get a lot of PKs with those HMGs only.

3. MGs are quite deadly, probably more deadly than 20mm HE. That's why you see so many 109E1s flying around, in all tiers. You see some missions consisting purely of vets in 109E1s.

4. A lot of pilots switched from spits to flying P-38s and hawks. Might be a shift in taste. I would put that one on the poor perfomance of the spit's 20mm and the insane performance of .50 cal

All in all HE performance is terrible. You get results with the bigger calibers. On the 20mm you have to hit exactly the same spot 4 times in a row to crit damage a fighter plane. That's only possible if the opposing pilot is asleep.

Repost:

https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmj4IXGg9xo

 

Edited August 27, 2018 by vanapo

[jwilly]

It'd be interesting to know if the HE/KE audit turned down the damage energy applied by 20mm HE.

If the 20mm HE damage previously was too high, maybe the aircraft damage thresholds were correspondingly too high for HE damage, as opposed to KE. Then fixing the 20mm HE damage energy without simultaneously auditing and correcting the aircraft HE damage thresholds would result in the game breakage being experienced.

[vanapo]

Is still don't know how the effect of small HE rounds is modelled/working in game as we don't have something like surface damage etc. - I would suspect HE rounds having a lot of KE before this got corrected so they could reflect the damage potential of HE more accurately in this limited simulation. "Correcting" these values so they correspond to factual data might have ruinded the outcome inside the game's modelling of damage.

[Blkhwk8]

33 minutes ago, vanapo said:

Is still don't know how the effect of small HE rounds is modelled/working in game as we don't have something like surface damage etc. - I would suspect HE rounds having a lot of KE before this got corrected so they could reflect the damage potential of HE more accurately in this limited simulation. "Correcting" these values so they correspond to factual data might have ruinded the outcome inside the game's modelling of damage.

@HATCH and his team are investigating this as we speak.

[HATCH]

Working to sort out aircraft damage in regards to all Air to Air and Ground to Air KE and HE as we speak. Test beds are being worked on, then will have to be tested, so don't have hard date. Small arms is after that.

[texasjay]

yea , I get same problem hitting all those flying king tiger DB7 , flame hurri  , they all came back drop eggs , I am dead  ..even hitting Sherman n pan with 5 88 rd.  in front  and side 100 yds. . say wow, bang one shot kill I'm dead,this been going on for age nothing new .. it seem to me it the network or connect, What we need group of people get togethers and do some testing their system.. ever time u fix something aint broken , don't mess with it till we know it really broken..

[vanapo]

@HATCHBeen away almost a year now - can you give a short update on the progress?

[Rws]

wait till you try the 109 F4, the 109 F2 can out shoot it now, most keep flying the F2 because of it.