MS work around resupply

[delems]

Ever heard of mountain out of molehill?  Doubt this really matters much in game.

And actually, axis way disadvantaged in a way.... take another look at Antwerp and Brux...... and think......

Edited April 20, 2019 by delems

[Kilemall]

1 hour ago, delems said:

Ever heard of mountain out of molehill?  Doubt this really matters much in game.

And actually, axis way disadvantaged in a way.... take another look at Antwerp and Brux...... and think......

Folks haven't thought through those cities.  They aren't going to be megatank factories like they were before, cause of the list clearing functions of losing and/or going three towns back of losing overstock.  Liege and Aachen will be tougher nuts to crack.

[jamieg]

11 hours ago, delems said:

Both sides can do it - so there is no advantage / disadvantage to either side.

 

Also, saying to stock this way is 'fast' is very misleading.  It takes extra players and extra time.

It is WAY slower than moving a flag like the old TOE method.... (and no armor)

 

Took you 9 mins to set up Opel and ms then less than an hour you transferred 18 lmgs riflemen and smgs. Along with the additional people that were on your mission. It’s a bug it shouldn’t be allowed as per XOOM’s statement.

you clearly missed the advantage/disadvantage that I posted with regards to timers for the attacking side vs defence.

 

its an exploit you as GHC have used. I’m 100% sure like myself you reported it as a bug when you discovered it. 

 

And judging by the fact it took you over 50 minutes to do what can be done in 4.5 mins!!! Your not very quick at clicking.

 

as you have mentioned this can be used on both allied and axis sides,so all AHC and GHC need to be fully briefed on how to complete the action and ensure prior to placing an AO and on recite of a DO, HC on Both sides should ensure 100 % that the required actions are carried out. To transfer the entire backline brigade into the frontline town.

 

As the other RATS have stated this isn’t going to be fixed any time soon before the live campaign so I urge all squads to get involved in this exploit or face the enemy overstocking and beating you on a supply numbers basis.

[delems]

*** Took you 9 mins to set up Opel and ms then less than an hour you transferred 18 lmgs riflemen and smgs

Your math is absolutely wrong.

First, it takes 2 spawns to get 1 unit - so I only resupplied 9 units.

Second, as I said earlier I was NOT resupplying an attack, I brought 2 LMGs and 2 SMGs to town because I thought allied were going to counter. (there were zero autos in town)

 

The dMS was there so others could spawn in and defend the town.  Then, I sat at that MS, unable to disable it - you are right; OTHERS came and did some resupply - I couldn't stop them; much as I desired for a way to disable my MS.

 

Then, as you noted, some 30 min later, I resupplied 5 rifles - because we were completely OUT of rifles.  Newbs had nothing to spawn and I actually was a tad worried it would look bad if new players couldn't spawn in.

 

You are 100% incorrect in your characterization of what I was doing, what happened, and what my motivation was.

Edited April 20, 2019 by delems

[jamieg]

1 hour ago, delems said:

*** Took you 9 mins to set up Opel and ms then less than an hour you transferred 18 lmgs riflemen and smgs

Your math is absolutely wrong.

First, it takes 2 spawns to get 1 unit - so I only resupplied 9 units.

Second, as I said earlier I was NOT resupplying an attack, I brought 2 LMGs and 2 SMGs to town because I thought allied were going to counter. (there were zero autos in town)

 

The dMS was there so others could spawn in and defend the town.  Then, I sat at that MS, unable to disable it - you are right; OTHERS came and did some resupply - I couldn't stop them; much as I desired for a way to disable my MS.

 

Then, as you noted, some 30 min later, I resupplied 5 rifles - because we were completely OUT of rifles.  Newbs had nothing to spawn and I actually was a tad worried it would look bad if new players couldn't spawn in.

 

You are 100% incorrect in your characterization of what I was doing, what happened, and what my motivation was.

Mate I go to bed with a clear conscience 

 

“ it was there to allow the new players to have rifles as I thought it would be wrong for the community if they could spawn in.”

hahahahhahaa what the f**k are you smoking !!!!! Cause I want some of it!!!!

 

sorry officer I was going 50 over the speed limit so I could get the orphan children there meals on time. 

 

Allies we’re going to counter

 

we had 3 fms from 3 different towns since the garrison supply was downto 8 rifles. Yes we were definitely going to counter attack your GHC RIGHT ??

 

Delems you’ve been caught with your pants down just sit in the corner and take it like a man. I reported the bug I really should’ve thought about the new players and their ability to spawn in game before I reported it.

 

i couldn’t stop the naughty boys on my mission from resupplying using the exploit I set up for them.

 

hahahahahaha.

 

”guys do not warp, respawn,despawn cancel reservation, because it’s an exploitation”

if only there was a way in game to communicate ??

 

 

Edited April 20, 2019 by jamieg

[jamieg]

49 minutes ago, delems said:

You are 100% incorrect in your characterization of what I was doing, what happened, and what my motivation was.

 

I’m 100% hopeful i am and that you had the new recruits in mind and there enjoyment of the game in mind was your number 1 priority.

 

in reality this is a bug reporting page the bugs been reported the rats have stated that it won’t be fixed the way ahead now should be posted in the allied / axis sub forums to make sure everyone knows what’s going on and to plan for the future.

Edited April 20, 2019 by jamieg

[delems]

Your own comments prove I'm correct.

Do you think I'm that dumb to waste an hour of my time sitting at an empty MS to only resupply 9 units?
If I was trying to resupply an attack, I would have supplied more like 120 in that time.

Not only that, anyone that knows me, knows I rarely attack; they also know that I have been bringing in backline MS for town defense for years. (it's what I do - defend)

(I've done it 100s of times when we had KM infantry)

Our flag had zero autos, 16ish rifles and a few other assorted units when I arrived.

As I recall, you had a division just behind Stenay - one flag move away from a full flag into Stenay-- to counter us.  We had no moveable flags to defend with, hence why I brought a dMS in from outside.  And note, I was correct that allies would see we were down to rifles - you picked up on it......

 

[Kilemall]

All that squawking about JWBS........  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[delems]

***  z13 did yeomans work

Look closer... wrong town... wrong time.... wrong day.

That was simply resupplying 2 squads of infantry (think 22 troops) to Carigan which had been completely decimated at Sedan.

Again, trying to provide some defensive troops to our town.

[gtanner]

Ahh it seems exploting/cheating is fine as long as we can all do it. Sounds good to me

[delems]

*** All that squawking about JWBS........  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Let me see: 9 + 22 = 31 troops total.  Across 2 days mind you...

Ya, lets compare resupplying 31 troops over 2 days the same as moving 500 troops in 2 minutes.... ??

Edited April 20, 2019 by delems

[Kilemall]

4 minutes ago, delems said:

*** All that squawking about JWBS........  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Let me see: 9 + 22 = 31 troops total.  Across 2 days mind you...

Ya, lets compare resupplying 31 troops over 2 days the same as moving 500 troops in 2 minutes.... ??

Yes, because 95% of brigade moves don't matter in a supply move, what matters is movement at a stressed AO/DO at the moment of decision.

[jamieg]

11 minutes ago, choad said:

Just look at squad sorties for delems squad (marine stobtrupp kompanie) during said time and you will see that your initial hunch jamieg wasn't likely all that far off. Did a pretty good job resupplying, z13 did yeomans work.

They just had the new recruits in game in there minds. We should be thanking this squad and ask that we all follow the example they are setting for the rest of us.

[delems]

*** anyhow right time right town

Truly, you aren't that dumb?

delems: Apr 17 16:15 - 16:15 Orval AB

z17: Apr 18 18:38 - 18:38 Carignan Depot

Since when does April 17th = the 18th?

 

 

***Yes, because 95% of brigade moves don't matter in a supply move, what matters is movement at a stressed AO/DO at the moment of decision.

Are you really that clueless kile?

When is the only time we move TOE flags.... when we NEED supply - sheesh.

Edited April 20, 2019 by delems

[jamieg]

I STRONGLY SUGGEST EVERYONE CHECK Z17 stats now.

 

50 missions on the same mission as Delems. Same squad.

 

Wasn’t expecting to unearth this.

 

turn off your JCB and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

 

18 missions for you 50 for your squad mate????

 

how many new recruits were on the bloody attack that you were trying to help???

[delems]

*** I STRONGLY SUGGEST EVERYONE CHECK Z17 stats now.  50 missions on the same mission as Delems. Same squad.

Really, I just explained them both?  Are you stupid or something?

Wrong day, wrong time, wrong town... Sheesh.

I did 9 units on the 17th, z17 did 22 I think on the 18th.

Edited April 20, 2019 by delems

[jamieg]

8 minutes ago, delems said:

*** I STRONGLY SUGGEST EVERYONE CHECK Z17 stats now.  50 missions on the same mission as Delems. Same squad.

 

Really, I just explained them both?  Are you stupid or something?

Wrong day, wrong time, wrong town... Sheesh.

I did 9 units on the 17th, z17 did 22 I think on the 18th.

I apologise profusely.

 

delems used the exploit on the 17th

his squad mate used it on the 18th

 

how many other squad mates have been helping all the new recruits???

 

25 by z17 he definitely should have a medal for his commitment to the new player base.

[jamieg]

12 minutes ago, delems said:

*** I STRONGLY SUGGEST EVERYONE CHECK Z17 stats now.  50 missions on the same mission as Delems. Same squad.

 

Really, I just explained them both?  Are you stupid or something?

Wrong day, wrong time, wrong town... Sheesh.

I did 9 units on the 17th, z17 did 22 I think on the 18th.

Have you switched off your digger??? You exploited, ALLIES now know and AXIS now know ,your squad mates have also been involved and now your defending it by saying you were helping the new recruits and couldn’t stop those on your missions cause you couldn’t take your ms down.

 

XOOM stated this was not meant to be physically possible, it’s an exploit.

Edited April 20, 2019 by jamieg

[delems]

I accept your apology.

 

It is clear you can't read.  Or if you can read, you have no comprehension or understanding.

 

One more time, for the last time.....

Orval was 9 units; 4 to help our defense - 5 rifles cause we were out and newbs were still trying to spawn.

Carigan was 22 units (2 squads) to simply provide supply for a decimated flag.

 

A grand total of 31 troops over 2 days.......... two completely different towns and occasions.  Both in order to bolster our defense.. something I do and our squad does.  We defend and prepare for defense.

Edited April 20, 2019 by delems

[Kilemall]

34 minutes ago, gtanner said:

Ahh it seems exploting/cheating is fine as long as we can all do it. Sounds good to me

Look I'm not a fan of this 'undocumented feature' in the context of the current system but I think that characterization is a bit over the line.

[gtanner]

5 minutes ago, Kilemall said:

Look I'm not a fan of this 'undocumented feature' in the context of the current system but I think that characterization is a bit over the line.

The point was made that both sides can do it so there isn't much else I can take from that. This is an exploit, an abuse of the RTB/reserve mechanic for the purposes of gaining an advantage. A HC officer taking advantage of this and I'm assuming not mentioning it the CRS as an issue is completely disgusting.

Edited April 20, 2019 by gtanner

[jamieg]

Ok let’s stop with the finger pointing.

 

Delems is only trying to help everyone and so are his squad mates.

[delems]

*** Delems is only trying to help everyone and so are his squad mates.

No, I'm trying to help the axis side.

You all don't know me very well, I resupply units every map - have for years.

A while ago, I resupplied/overstocked 500 panzers (ok, half were 232).

I resupply and overstock DDs.

I've done SPAA and 232 this map too.

I have run dMSs for years, KM saved Lux one time by a single dMS out of Remich. (KM infantry)

When a flag is out of engrs, I get an engr out of HQ (back in TOE days) and have a squaddie drive me 10km, so we can have 1 engr in that flag.

It is what I do - I prepare for defense and try and make sure axis side has some gear to spawn for said defense.

Edited April 20, 2019 by delems

[aismov]

12 minutes ago, gtanner said:

The point was made that both sides can do it so there isn't much else I can take from that. This is an exploit, an abuse of the RTB/reserve mechanic for the purposes of gaining an advantage. A HC officer taking advantage of this and I'm assuming not mentioning it the CRS as an issue is completely disgusting.

Completely agree. And outside the AoC as well may I add.

Delems, we're both HC and Axis, but you exploited the game as simple as that. The fact it was "only" X units doesn't make it any better or worse. Xoom had a whole rat chat how he explained the idea behind manual resupply and how the FMS was coded to not allow this to happen. You found a loop hole, but should have reported it.

You are a hard working officer, but honestly (and I'm speaking as a human to another human) you need to take a step back and look at what you're doing. This is a game. Yes, we all want to win, that natural. But let's do it within the bounds of the rules of the game as well as the spirit of the game.

Finding a work around via the warp-RTB is "technically" within the hardcoded rules of the game, but it goes completely contrary to the spirit of 1.36 and the game design that Xoom/CRS envision.

 

Edited April 20, 2019 by aismov

[jamieg]

Delems stop please. You may have resupplied for years good job the axis need people like you. 

 

The problem here here is the fact that using an exploit with your squad mates so you can do this wonderful work in the past that would take hours of commitment now takes mins.

 

XOOM the big boss stated this was not to be done. You found a way around it so did I. 

 

Worset still after calling out on out on side and posting in the forums about the exploit you have then 24 hrs later driven an ms to allow a squad mate to exploit it, knowing myself and others were watching your stats.