232 dying to garaand?

[delems]

Isn't this not supposed to happen?

 

[Scking]

I think (trying to get verification) that the 232 is 8mm in some places, the M1 Garand I believe uses 30-06 Ball which can penetrate 8mm within 40 meters. @HATCH may have a better answer than I though.

[jwilly]

"Can penetrate" = what amount of energy left for destructive effect beyond the armor steel?

Discussions like this one of borderline penetration remind one of the original HEAT penetration physics...which, per Scotsman, were quite incorrect in assuming some source of destructive energy other than the energy accomplishing the penetration.

Edited June 2, 2019 by jwilly

[gridiron]

Garand has AP?  only Bar has AP...that's why I no Longer bother with M1 garand or any other rifle.

 

[gridiron]

hmm good to know...we all thought AP was gone on allied rifles.   I kept asking and was told Bar was the way only to kill 242.

[tater]

It's my understanding that in WW2 the standard US .30-06 was the .30 M2 AP ammo, and that in fact the ball ammo was used almost entirely for training. This would mean that all US .30 cal weapons should be shooting AP, all the time.

Edited June 2, 2019 by tater

[flong139]

Most where issued ball ammo when troops got to the field maney soldiers would grab the AP ammo from the .30 cal MG supply for there BAR and garands. that was told to me by my great uncle who along with my grandfather fought in the pacific and there brothers fought in europe.

[drkmouse]

then wer is my stug  tooth paste anti mag mine a corig pitn on most stugs by the troops/   canot use antitotal info sorry or al tigers would be  invunerable and sherm crews woudl start to burmn the moment they wer with  sihgt of  said tiger.  ( feeling peepy to day sorry )

[jwilly]

We were told during Scotsman's most recent time helping CRS that the US .30 caliber ground weapons would use ball, as historically official, except for the BAR which officially used AP. I haven't seen any CRS statement countermanding that.

Lots of field-expedient things happened in every army. The game design has to be based on some set of historical official facts, or CRS would have no anchor-point when players on the different sides inevitably complain that their side is nerfed and the other side is buffed by CRS decisions.

If US .30 from ground weapons other than the BAR is AP, or if US .30 ball is penetrating armor steel as if it's mild steel, or if the relevant penetration/damage physics code provides for damage energy after penetration that's not from the same total as that which led to the penetration, I think that'd be a correctable error, not a design intent.

[delems]

Has this been fixed, are 232s still dying to rifles?

 

[tater]

I read that AP was mostly what front line units saw, period. They shared ammo, which was sort of the point of having most everyone issued .30-06 in the first place. So after some point in late 1943 for the US, black tip (AP) was standard issue for all front line infantry units according to everything I remember reading.

 

 

[flong139]

232's dying to rifles ? geuss ok if panhards die to them ?

 

jwilly STFU keep on yer wiki

 

[delems]

Is the 232 dying to rifles fixed in this next bug patch?

 

Edited July 9, 2019 by delems

[drkmouse]

On 6/30/2019 at 2:15 AM, tater said:

I read that AP was mostly what front line units saw, period. They shared ammo, which was sort of the point of having most everyone issued .30-06 in the first place. So after some point in late 1943 for the US, black tip (AP) was standard issue for all front line infantry units according to everything I remember reading.

 

 

By that logic  stug g should have  the mg mount and  the toothpaste anit persanel coating as  well

[tater]

1 hour ago, drkmouse said:

By that logic  stug g should have  the mg mount and  the toothpaste anit persanel coating as  well

I'm fine with adding MGs on cupolas. The reality is that by the time any US troops were on the ground in the ETO, virtually every round they fired was AP.

I'd add, FWIW, that I think that if the crew was capable of switching positions in combat, I'd allow the tank to function as long as it has any crew that could realistically move between positions. Have it then take however long makes sense to switch. So the driver is taken out, then the CO can take over after XX seconds, then XX to switch back.

Edited July 9, 2019 by tater

[Scking]

232 concerns are on hatch's hot plate at the moment. Don't believe he has any changes submitted yet. As for penetrating, as I said earlier, the .30-06 Ball that the Garaand uses can penetrate the 232's 8mm armor at less than 40m. I don't believe any of the other rifles have enough power to penetrate that much armor though. I think he is looking at a single plate somewhere that is 6mm instead of 8mm.

[drkmouse]

Having most  allied  riffles is not a big  deel for reality purposes cet th elone axis scout car is hard hit, alont with the pak 36 dying fronly one shot upto 1 k away.

as long as both side have the equip to  "win" ( not blue vs red btw) then all evens out in end, ty for repsonces  rats

[matamor]

I used to pop 232 with ATR - it doesn't work anymore

But I learn to adapt and overcome

out of smg? Take a rifle and stop crying

 

[dandare9]

It is easy to kill a 232 from behind by shooting thru those two horizontal slits. 

Seeing as this is one of my favourite pieces of equipment, I shouldn't say anything. So please keep it a secret.

Dandare9

[ian77]

11 minutes ago, dandare9 said:

It is easy to kill a 232 from behind by shooting thru those two horizontal slits. 

Seeing as this is one of my favourite pieces of equipment, I shouldn't say anything. So please keep it a secret.

Dandare9

Shhhhh!  What are you doing!