Small white bldg - no rubble.

[delems]

Just placed 10 infantry HE on small white bldg, didn't destroy it; never took more than 2 as I recall, max 3 maybe.

Finally rubbled at 12; lots of problems with rubble and infantry HE this patch.

 

Edited June 7, 2019 by delems

[Scking]

nothing has changed with satchels or building damage in almost a year (when HE audit was released)

[delems]

Not true.

The crates have changed.

The small white bldgs have changed.

I'll test some more of them.

I rubble 100s if not 1000s of objects every map.... I know what I know.. and something has changed.

 

*just tested some more bldgs that I absolutely know I've rubbled 100s of times.... and they won't rubble as normal.  (prolly will with 12)

Something is wrong with either rubble code on structures or HE on infantry.

 

Edited June 8, 2019 by delems

[delems]

Any status as to the cause of this?

Ever since June of 2018, HE has been borked badly regarding rubble.  (See my topic in Axis Secure during June 2018 time frame.)

It is now 1 year later, and things have gotten worse, much worse.

 

Let me try and explain, there are a variety of demolitions to do... AI, crates, SP, CP, bldgs, bridges (we'll leave out PPOs and MS for now)

And, there a variety of ways to destroy these obstacles... mortars, infantry HE, ATG HE, tank HE, FMB, DD and bombs. (I forgot, grenades too)

This provides up to 42 (56 with PPO and MS) different game actions for players to engage in (6x7); sure, won't see DD in Ciney, but you get the idea.

 

Now, here is the key part, so listen closely...... The changes from a year ago, and especially the recent crate and bldg changes has destroyed many of those game play actions.

No longer is mortar effective, infantry HE is nearly worthless, many of those 42 game play actions are no longer playable.. gone.

 

Let me give an example.... it now takes 260 StuH HE shells to drop a bridge.... that is 105mm HE. ( I can't even take the time to test 88m or 75mm HE.....)

Now, I'm not HE expert, or bridge expert, (@jwilly? @scotsman?), but that seems too high of a number.

Another example, 88 used in support or 75mm close assault tank.... sure, go ahead, try and destroy a CP or bldg with that........ (not looking for 1 shot rubble here, but maybe 4? 8?)

Let me give another, try and use a mortar to take down crates, or AI, or the CP or SP.......  nada, zilch. (use to be able to do this)

Yet, that use to be a key game strategy- bring mortar man in on attack, setup 450m out, and shell the AI before entering town. Not anymore

 

I don't know how else to explain my frustration (big time) with this... it has been going on since Jun of 2018; and these last changes to crates and bldgs has nearly got the best of me.  It is extremely disappointing, I'd almost say devastating (at least to my game play).  These changes have literally removed over half the things I use to do in game - that I can no longer do.

 

Edited June 11, 2019 by delems

[Scking]

I have Dev investigating buildings to see if there was a side effect of changing something else, but as I said, nothing has specifically aimed at buildings.. As for your disappointment in HE overall, you will need to talk to @HATCH and provide him with data to back up the capability of HE on different objects. Bridges and FBs are special cases when it comes to damage. 

[delems]

ok.

I'm just at a loss for words how bad this all is to me.

Between the loss of navy infantry and now HE not working for demolitions, literally my entire game play is destroyed.

I use to use mortar often, never now.  And now even engr is nearly worthless, the unit I mostly spawn every map.

My will to continue playing is nearly eradicated.

 

I see it as such a travesty these 56 game play interactions / opportunities aren't exploited more to provide fun in game.

 

[delems]

Just found another bldg that no longer rubbles as before

Sent .bug

 

[SNIPER62]

There are five different "Other" structures found at different FBs. Those five structures are also widely used withing towns and due to this they will be fixed in the next hotfix. It will still require one bomb or satchel to destroy them at FBs.

[delems]

Good to hear, so those buildings will go back to 'normal' charges required?

Then, we just need to go back and audit that 6/18 HE update for rubble results.