Oostende W AB / Vuerne FB.

[OHM]

5 minutes ago, delems said:

Basically, in a 1 AB town, all FBs are controlled by that AB.

Axis owns Boz, allies own Steen, Roos and Zand and are attacking.

(all 3 FBs are allied during their start of attack)

Axis manages to bust all 3 FBs. (so now all FBs are axis)

We can spawn from Boz, and defend those 3 FBs.

Now, allies para (town is contested) and capture the AB.

NOW, axis can not spawn at any of those FBs.

It is very simple when a 1 AB town; all FBs are controlled by 1 AB.

 

The question is in multi AB towns.

Axis attacking Oostende.

Allies own Zeeb and Jabb (no FBs there)

Axis owns Veurne, Diks and Tor.

Axis has Diks and Tor FBs but allies have the FB from Oost to Veurne.

Axis caps W AB Oostende; so it would seem, the W FB, Veurne should not be able to be spawned to.

But they did.

So the question is, which of the 5 FBs are controlled by W AB, and which of the 5 are controlled by E AB?

As long as you have control of one AB in the town you can spawn at any FB you own. FB's are not assigned to any one AB in any multi AB town.

[sorella]

19 minutes ago, OHM said:

As long as you have control of one AB in the town you can spawn at any FB you own. FB's are not assigned to any one AB in any multi AB town.

This may be the theory - but not meaning to be indelicate -  it is simply not true in game in the last 10 years at least, for any multi-ab town.

It's kind of common game/side knowledge that if/when a certain AB is capped in a multi-AB town there is a call for - 'hotdrop the east/west/whatever fb - they can't spawn to defend' and it has proven so. On the defending side, when this happens, one gets a 'facility not available' when trying to spawn at an owned fb linked to a non-owned AB. 

[delems]

*** As long as you have control of one AB in the town you can spawn at any FB you own. FB's are not assigned to any one AB in any multi AB town.

I do not believe that to be true at all.  Did something change?

[B2K]

Multi AB does do some weird stuff, especially when one AB is captured/recaptured.

[TR6AL]

There is nothing in the creation or setup of an fb that links it to anything other than its Town and Depot. No one configures them to a specific AB. Its possible coding is doing that in some unknown to us manner. 

[delems]

Pretty easy to test I think:

Make Oostende axis.

Make V, D, T, J, and Z all allied. (all FB linking towns)

Make all FBs out of Oostende axis.

Contest Oostende.

Cap E AB --- try and spawn at all 5 FBs;  a few will fail.

Lib E AB

Cap W AB --- try and spawn at all 5 FBs; the others will fail.

Post results. (hint, we already know Veurne will fail with E AB captured)

 

Then, if no other way to tell which FBs are controlled, by which AB, in multi AB towns.

Guess repeat for every multi AB town .

Edited July 28, 2022 by delems

[melagius2]

I thought all ABs have to be captured in order to deny the defenders the ability to spawn at any FB

[sorella]

34 minutes ago, melagius2 said:

I thought all ABs have to be captured in order to deny the defenders the ability to spawn at any FB

Your statement is correct in that if enemy owns all abs in a multi ab town, then no defenders could spawn at any owned fb linked to that town.

But the above arcane discussion is about how (or if) each ab in a multi-ab town is linked to a particular fb - so if AB X is capped by the enemy then the defenders could not spawn at FB X - if FB X is still owned (or recently blown back during the battle) by the defending side. Happens all the time - you struggle to blow a fb on a DO only to find that if the enemy owns the linking AB (not depot) you cannot then spawn to defend that fb until the link AB is recapped - hence the often heard attacking side's call to hotdrop the fb back since there will be no defenders. (note that this is always the case in a one AB town - if the AB is capped the defenders cannot spawn at any owned fb linked to that town - nothing to do with depots either)

Most often, but confusingly not always - as in the Oost/Veurne FB scenario from the OP - the AB/FB link makes common or geographical sense - ie. a SAB would be linked to a South(ish) FB - and so on. But as far as one knows, there is no accurate list of AB>FB links or rule set or known coding or understandable design parameter written down in a guide or manual that players can reference to actually know what is what.  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. 

Edited July 29, 2022 by sorella

[undercova]

last week we had Oostende down to EAB only ... and allies owned 2 FBs. The Veurne and Torhout one. i had an Opel and FRU at the Veurne FB and allies kept spawning like hell with infantry and later on tanks. so the info that the option to spawn at FB when you have the link CP (Veurne in this case) is absolutely not correct !!

over all the years i experienced it the same like others mentioned. once you cap the East or West AB of an enemy town ... the enemy can not spawn anymore at the specific FB. great example would be Longuyon. cap EAB .. and the defender will not be able to spawn at the Lux/Esch FB (up for them).

 

ofc capping both ABs will remove the ability to spawn at ANY FB at all !!

Edited July 29, 2022 by undercova

[saffroli]

And what happened with Arras the other night? We capped all AB's and docks before capping town all our FB's disappeared?

[delems]

That is another oddity I don't have a clear handle on.

Sometimes, you cap the ABs and all friendly FBs are gone.

Use to have the problem with KM a lot in the past, as KM has no spawns and we had to use MS and FB.

But, we'd cap the AB, and suddenly our FB was just gone along with all MSs.

So KM had to make the rule AB last or we lose FB (and hence all our MS as no spawns).

 

In Arras case, I think it is because it was backline, there were no allied towns adjacent as it was surrounded.

And, FBs don't ever exist between backline towns, only frontline.